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"National Security can't come at the cost of Social Security" - WTAF?

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Binnyforthewin · 09/09/2026 14:52

Surely our PM releases that without National Security there is no Social Security? One is entirely dependent on the other.

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Binnyforthewin · 11/09/2026 10:40

SpiritAdder · 11/09/2026 10:36

It’s nice to know it would be easy to detain them if they don’t behave.

As in collective punishment?

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EasternStandard · 11/09/2026 10:41

SpiritAdder · 11/09/2026 10:36

It’s nice to know it would be easy to detain them if they don’t behave.

I don’t think that’ll happen. It can’t turn into a prison and incarcerate because someone commits a crime.

SpiritAdder · 11/09/2026 10:49

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/09/2026 10:38

Tell thst to Ukraine and Russia.

They already know.

SpiritAdder · 11/09/2026 10:49

EasternStandard · 11/09/2026 10:41

I don’t think that’ll happen. It can’t turn into a prison and incarcerate because someone commits a crime.

Who says it would be a prison? It would be more like secure accommodation with a curfew.

SpiritAdder · 11/09/2026 10:50

Binnyforthewin · 11/09/2026 10:40

As in collective punishment?

What punishment? Detention for the public good is completely legal with no charge and no criminal conviction.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/09/2026 10:55

SpiritAdder · 11/09/2026 10:49

They already know.

Well yes. So youre sort of contradicting your own point there.

A war in Europe will be a land war as its too tight to fire any nukes. Drones can't invade nor can they retake land. You need troops.

They are already looking at calling up ex soldiers. Make no mistake, our sons if they ard of fighting age will be called up if there is a war due to our tiny army being inadequate.

This is why its so painful watching AB squirm about defence. Housing benefit will help a few people in comparison to the millions of people that would be affected by a war. We need to look tough and strong so no one messes with us. The Eastern bloc countries know this which is why they are rearming "at pace" to use that stupid political phrase. We are still stuck in the past with a retro PM who thinks we still have a peace dividend.

Switchnow · 11/09/2026 10:58

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/09/2026 10:06

I think we need soldiers in those barracks rather than men of fighting age from enemy countries. Its terrifying that barracks are empty.

I see you have edited your message. Yes not free to leave.

Yes thats the interesting question isn't it....a whistle blower has said that 1% only are genuine. One might suspect that the government are letting in fake asylum seekers just to get the perception of the numbers down......

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How would approving 70% of fake asylum claims create the perception that numbers were down?

Approvals are also significantly down under this government, which would indicate other fewer legitimate claims or a harsher approach than the previous administration.

Switchnow · 11/09/2026 11:01

EasternStandard · 11/09/2026 10:28

Yes a highly lucrative crime that Labour believes they can end. We’ll see.

Would you rather a government that ignored these crimes, or said ‘I don’t think we can fix this’?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/09/2026 11:03

Switchnow · 11/09/2026 10:58

How would approving 70% of fake asylum claims create the perception that numbers were down?

Approvals are also significantly down under this government, which would indicate other fewer legitimate claims or a harsher approach than the previous administration.

You just approve the claims of everyone who crosses your desk. Then your inability to remove failed claimants doesnt look so weak. How many failed claimants have been deported out of interest compared with the numbers whose claims have failed?

Remember the government want to facilitate "safe routes" into the country. Not fewer people coming in. They want to make it easier for them so they don't need to go on the big inflatables.

EasternStandard · 11/09/2026 11:05

Switchnow · 11/09/2026 11:01

Would you rather a government that ignored these crimes, or said ‘I don’t think we can fix this’?

Obviously neither. I’d rather they looked at who has resolved it.

Which tbf Labour won’t do.

SpiritAdder · 11/09/2026 11:07

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/09/2026 10:55

Well yes. So youre sort of contradicting your own point there.

A war in Europe will be a land war as its too tight to fire any nukes. Drones can't invade nor can they retake land. You need troops.

They are already looking at calling up ex soldiers. Make no mistake, our sons if they ard of fighting age will be called up if there is a war due to our tiny army being inadequate.

This is why its so painful watching AB squirm about defence. Housing benefit will help a few people in comparison to the millions of people that would be affected by a war. We need to look tough and strong so no one messes with us. The Eastern bloc countries know this which is why they are rearming "at pace" to use that stupid political phrase. We are still stuck in the past with a retro PM who thinks we still have a peace dividend.

Actually I’m not.
The Russian/Ukraine war is primarily an air war, not a land war.
Ukraine is vastly outnumbered but better equipped.

Switchnow · 11/09/2026 11:08

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/09/2026 11:03

You just approve the claims of everyone who crosses your desk. Then your inability to remove failed claimants doesnt look so weak. How many failed claimants have been deported out of interest compared with the numbers whose claims have failed?

Remember the government want to facilitate "safe routes" into the country. Not fewer people coming in. They want to make it easier for them so they don't need to go on the big inflatables.

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That’s quite a bold claim that would require a huge conspiracy.

When do you think the instruction to approve every claim would have started? And how do you explain the fact that claims are down and approvals are down?

About 80k people removed under this government, which is something like 50% increase on the previous one.

Switchnow · 11/09/2026 11:10

EasternStandard · 11/09/2026 11:05

Obviously neither. I’d rather they looked at who has resolved it.

Which tbf Labour won’t do.

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Who has resolved what, people trafficking? Who has resolved that?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/09/2026 11:10

SpiritAdder · 11/09/2026 11:07

Actually I’m not.
The Russian/Ukraine war is primarily an air war, not a land war.
Ukraine is vastly outnumbered but better equipped.

The casualty figures say otherwise together with the need for conscription.

SpiritAdder · 11/09/2026 11:11

Housing benefit will help a few people in comparison to the millions of people that would be affected by a war.

Except lack of HB will cause homelessness, especially for children.
War is not a certainty, so you can’t really say it’s the greater good to let so many go homeless because of something that might happen.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/09/2026 11:11

Switchnow · 11/09/2026 11:08

That’s quite a bold claim that would require a huge conspiracy.

When do you think the instruction to approve every claim would have started? And how do you explain the fact that claims are down and approvals are down?

About 80k people removed under this government, which is something like 50% increase on the previous one.

Did you see the report from a home office whistle blower. Its interesting.

EasternStandard · 11/09/2026 11:12

Switchnow · 11/09/2026 11:10

Who has resolved what, people trafficking? Who has resolved that?

Australia has pretty much stopped deaths at sea. If we had the same here I’d bet even the left wouldn’t vote it out. As they haven’t there.

dustabsorber · 11/09/2026 11:14

If we were at war, could the boats simply be turned away?

Frequency · 11/09/2026 11:18

If we go to war it will be over the Internet and it will be fought by all those cyber security engineers we have invested in... Oh, wait, that's not right. We cut funding for education...

Ooops.

Nvm, at least we have some nice shiny new guns to look at while it happens.

EasternStandard · 11/09/2026 11:20

Frequency · 11/09/2026 11:18

If we go to war it will be over the Internet and it will be fought by all those cyber security engineers we have invested in... Oh, wait, that's not right. We cut funding for education...

Ooops.

Nvm, at least we have some nice shiny new guns to look at while it happens.

You’re going to need the actual kit. An engineer can’t use paper clips and tape.

dustabsorber · 11/09/2026 11:22

War would suit the NEETS issue out. They would either be called up for military service or ordered to do other work.

EasternStandard · 11/09/2026 11:23

dustabsorber · 11/09/2026 11:22

War would suit the NEETS issue out. They would either be called up for military service or ordered to do other work.

Try not to be flippant about this, it’s someone’s child.

Switchnow · 11/09/2026 11:27

EasternStandard · 11/09/2026 11:12

Australia has pretty much stopped deaths at sea. If we had the same here I’d bet even the left wouldn’t vote it out. As they haven’t there.

I’m sure you’re familiar with the reasons why the Australia policy doesn’t easily translate to the Channel. It’s lazy to ignore the very obvious differences.

Switchnow · 11/09/2026 11:28

Pineneedlesincarpet · 11/09/2026 11:11

Did you see the report from a home office whistle blower. Its interesting.

I’ve reached the limit of taking you seriously now. Good work though.

dustabsorber · 11/09/2026 11:31

Plus if there is a war, we will soon find out who the true Brits are