"National Security can't come at the cost of Social Security" - WTAF?

[Binnyforthewin]

Surely our PM releases that without National Security there is no Social Security? One is entirely dependent on the other.

I said they pledged to smash the gangs.

If they do as some believed they would they wouldn’t need barracks or HMOs.

Presumably not in the ones that were closed as unfit for purpose. Some were also for storage. It’s not automatically terrifying that they’re empty. Better that they were stacked up with drones than people.

Perhaps you meant to say that but what you actually said was:

Labour ran on ‘smash the gangs’ so that. They set up a pledge which meant no barracks.

Yes look at the words ‘which meant’ it’s obviously what they sold to people. So barracks are not going to be a win.

Unfit for soldiers serving their country. Not unfit for people being held as they have broken in to a country. Basic standard is fine.

They kind of are smashing the gangs? The boat arrivals went down by 43%
https://theworlddata.com/small-boat-crossing-statistics-in-the-uk/

The headline year-to-date fall of 43% compared with 2025 is the single most politically significant number in the entire dataset, and it reflects a genuine change in the operating environment for people-smuggling networks along the French coast, driven by expanded French beach patrols, a new UK-France funding deal, and the disruptive effect of the one-in-one-out returns pilot

In fact, Labour is getting all immigration under control as net migration went down by 48%
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70989jrdweo

I don’t think it’s immediately obvious that one results from the other unless you assume that trafficking gangs can be ‘smashed’ overnight. Surely people understood that pledge to mean ‘we’re going after the bad guys’. Which they have. By mid-2026, Home Office data shows

74% year-on-year increase in organized immigration crime arrests

Workplace raids up by 77% compared to previous administration.

Since July 2024 17,000 local arrests for illegal working

46% increase in Organised Immigration Crime disruptions and seizure of more than 500 pieces of small boat equipment.

Asylum applications in 2026 are the lowest for four years

Loop holes, loop holes - Labour love a manifesto loop hole. Just look at no tax rises for ordinary working people. Even "no ifs, no buts" turned out to have £30bn of loops holes.

Well it’s not fine, it’s against our own laws. And personally I don’t want to see men women and children housed in damp and mouldy buildings because they arrived via one route or another.

But you said you wanted to see them full of soldiers. So what I guess you meant is you want to see them modernised and made safe and fit for purpose so that they can be full of soldiers.

Two years in and they’ll have to keep smashing the gangs. They might get through this if they do. Only squashing objections won’t fix the problem.

Plus asking people to wait doesn’t actually help anyone in Piddington.

Would you be ok with 1000 plus men waiting for asylum in mass accommodation nearby to you?

The words the pp is referring to are their own, so any loophole belongs to them, not Labour in this instance.

I agree that is shocking to claim Hitler isn’t a war criminal because he was never convicted in a court while alive. Sadly, I think the same poster would not apply their exculpatory definition to any member of Hamas. It is both an extreme and inconsistent view.

What do you mean?

Are you saying that the PM can't influence where contracts are made? I mean in that case there was familial interest in the deal.
I think it is problematic that so much business and especially utilities are owned by other countries or business based in them.
I think this is far more of a security threat than not having weapons. Everything being digital is another weak security point. How often have companies been hacked or data about us been leaked?
Social media is a massive weapon that people don't see - how much has been spent on manipulating how people think about politics and stuff like othering different groups?

I would as barracks are usually inside razor wire and security gates.

Basic care is fine. As in the minimum legal standard. Nothing more. We don't need to encourage people.

Id like our army numbers to increase significantly (ive already said there is a distinction between fit for soldiers v fit for illegal immigrants) But that would require defence spending and as we know, national security is not the main priority to AB. Spending money supporting these illegal immigrants amoung others, is.

Yes, surprisingly enough highly lucrative crime that spans multiple countries isn’t ended in two years so they will indeed have to carry on. At least they actually started to do it though eh?

There are roughly 800 men in asylum accommodation nearby. I don’t see them and I haven’t heard a great deal of people mention them now the place is settled. The centre created a fair few jobs in an area that needed it.

I see. Do you think the men will be detained in the barracks?

Yes a highly lucrative crime that Labour believes they can end. We’ll see.

Good that you recognise people should be treated within the law.

That’s not what he said but those of you ideologically opposed to Labour are never going to acknowledge that so 👍

I never suggested breaking the law. You just took "basic care" as being care that broke the law. People should be treated humanely but given nothing above basic care so as to prevent any draw here. If you live on a beach in Eritrea any standard will be a carrot so bare minimum is what we should provide.

He did say it. The speech was televised. We all know what he meant. It will cost him dearly I hope. Given the headline in the Telegraph today re 9/11 we need someone who puts national security first and if necessary at the expense of social security.

Here's the headline

It’s nice to know it would be easy to detain them if they don’t behave.

Size of army is growing more and more irrelevant in the modern age of warfare.

Tell thst to Ukraine and Russia.