Has Tony Blair shifted far right?

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Tony Blair was always a warmonger with Iraq, but he seems to have gone full on far right / Reform now, criticising Starmer for not jumping in with Trump and the US on Iran.

He's saying we should have let them use our bases straight away and "show up" for America no matter what.

He also said Labour has made mistakes by spending more on welfare, focussing on Net Zero, increasing taxes on businesses..

Has he completely lost the plot? This sounds like proper far right policy to me.

I used to think Blair was centre-ground New Labour, but this feels like he's shifted hard right. In fact it's giving me proper far right / racist vibes.

I didn’t mention you when I said:

I find it really interesting that posters who are vociferous in their criticism of the current government are suddenly eulogising about an intervention of a former Labour PM because it fits their narrative.

You’ve made it all about you.

"You have to understand that I'm exploiting you for your own good" 😂

You’re the one who wrote

Perfectly, thank you. I’m not blind either, I can read what you post elsewhere

So @Upstartled isnt being particularly unreasonable to assume you’re talking about her

She made that assumption before the post you quoted. Nice try though.

But @Blossomtoes, your own observation is that people who who prefer conservative policies approve of many of Blair's proposals. That makes sense, doesn't it? These are common sense proposals that fall happily within a conservative outlook.

Why would you think that people would disagree with him just simply because he was once a a Labour pm?

Yet the UK has been subjected to right wing policies and governments for the majority of the post war period.

Look where its got us.

A Bank (or Amazon) making many billions in profit paying back office staff very low wages, so low that they need benefits in order to have a living income is immoral.

...and yes Apple does use materials produced by people earning very little, even using child labour in its supply chains.

You’re in a lovely mood this fine morning.

Blair has made observations and suggestions that are in tune with Labour current policies.

Blair said Blair argued for the government to crack down on welfare spending, abandon restrictions on oil and gas, embrace the technology and artificial intelligence revolution and smooth relations with Donald Trump

Aside from oil, they are doing all of this, hence KC sent to USA.... NS drilling doesn't benefit UK consumers and there isn't much to drill now, it is only economical to do IF prices stay high, which given Trump needs a deal with Iran, wont happen.

It definitely indicates to me that he no longer has any pretension to being representative of Labour values - if of course he ever did. I guess the question is would you have voted for his government when he was leader of the Labour Party? Only you can answer that but if your answer is no then he’s either moved significantly right or you vote along party lines. Nothing wrong with the latter, by the way. Many people do.

BIossomtoes is right. Go back and read the exchanges between her and Upstartled. Nothing to do with mood. No need to make it personal.

They really aren’t cracking down on welfare. Starmer failed spectacularly to do anything even mildly on welfare - scrapping the two child limit was the complete opposite

Well, if you are keeping abreast of all my posts around MN, then you will know that I did use to vote Labour, back in the day.

And of course they aren't cracking down on welfare. They intended to but have been so busy bribing the backbenchers with taxpayer money that that ship will never sail.

Where exactly is the exploitation? The worker voluntarily contributes his or her labour in return for payment. If the payment is too low for the amount of labour required then the worker has the right to not take the job or resign. This is not exploitation.

Let's take the example of a pencil factory. The owner takes the risk and invests his money into a bunch of machines, graphite, wood, salaries etc. So it is only right that if he is successful then he gets a reward on his investment for taking that risk.

By contrast the worker just contributes his / her labour with the alternatives being either another job or no job at all. Again where is the exploitation.

Now if the business is unsuccessful then the owner loses all his investment and his job. Whereas the worker only loses their job.

Uhmmmm So you Don't think calling people of a view that might be slightly to the 'right' of your own, fascist, is significantly bigoted. Ok. I see where we are. I see you and I can't help you any further.

A deletion for saying that it's puritanical and silly to say that Tony Blair is far right. And also totally in keeping with today's left? How odd.

Wasn’t the original quote yours? I don’t think anyone else has called anyone fascists unless I’ve missed it.

And let's not forget the pencil guy has started the factory - which provides the jobs which provides the income. I cannot get over how economically illiterate some people are. And some of these people are currently in gvt. God help us.

That isn't what you said, though. If you had, it wouldn't have been deleted. You wrote a personal attack, not a general observation.

I know - rediculous isn’t it 😂

No. They have listened. Something I find very lacking in those who lean left.

You can't help me any further because you are unable to provide examples of what you claimed was being said on this thread.

If a personal is everybody who agrees Tony Blair is far right, then you'd be right.

I am not sure anyone other than the OP has suggested TB is far right, and your post didn't appear to be aimed at her?