Reform voters, which policies do you support beyond immigration?

[Sheepydoggo]

If you voted for Reform, what policies do you like aside from immigration reform?

The status quo is changing, reform are the disrupter. Questioning how they managed that isn’t beyond the pale, surely? Equally, you don’t have to reply 🤷‍♀️

@Sheepydoggo

The status quo is changing, reform are the disrupter. Questioning how they managed that isn’t beyond the pale, surely

If people vote Reform that’s their choice and entitlement. Attempts to smear them seem to be having the opposite effect to what those who are doing the smearing want.

@RedTagAlan

However, the politicians who make the promises they then don't deliver... seems to me they are fair game for quizzing.

The party in power is responsible for delivering their manifesto promises. Parties who are not in power can’t deliver their manifesto promises because they are not in power.

Even if they won a referendum ?

I don't recall that being a condition on that referendum. That if you vote yes the things we promised can only be delivered is a certain party if also elected to government.

@RedTagAlan
I think a big issue is that the parties in power are only thinking about the short-term. The interest on our budget deficit is roughly the same as our education budget yet Labour don't seem to want to reduce it but instead spend more. Alan Milburn said yesterday in his NEET review yesterday that the government spends 25 times more on benefits for NEETs than helping them get into work. We are also overspending on the triple lock as the cost of pensions has risen significantly faster than average wages. Government has to make unpopular decisions sometimes in a country's long-term interests but they don't. Reform's tax and spending plans are not robust but they do have some policies, which are needed for the long-term benefit of the country.

@RedTagAlan

The outcome of the 2016 referendum was set aside by the Gina Miller case that established the governing couldn’t trigger article 50 by themselves on the back of a referendum. It had to be done, or not done, by an act of Parliament.

Parliament voted on 29 March 2017. The outcome was 498 voted to leave the EU and a 113 voted to remain.

Remember that Starmer stood on a manifesto in 2019 for a second referendum with an option to remain. If that doesn’t demonstrate that he does not want Brexit, what does.

Yet people have explained other policies that appeal to them on this thread?

You might not agree with them - and I might not agree with most of them - but you can't deny that people have given other Reform policies that appeal to them beyond immigration.

They will get rid of the TV licence, loads of people on MN are constantly moaning about the licence and BBC. Labour will also probably make you have the licence for streaming as well. That is nothing to do with immigration.

Yet people have explained other policies that appeal to them on this thread?

Correct. However, many seem to have the view that if it doesn’t appeal to them, it can’t appeal to anyone else because remain supporters know better.

I'll vote reform. Labour has been an absolute shambles.
I'm just hoping reform will actually start to fix the country so working people are not living in poverty.

Many British born working class people are socially conservative. The socially conservative working class believe in biological sex and they don't understand Labour or Green's support for trans rights over women's rights. They don't understand the left's support for multiculturalism over assimilation-they believe that people who move to the UK should integrate and accept British values. They don't understand why the left supports high immigration levels, which is leading to pressure on public services. They don't understand why the left supports those on benefits over those who are working hard. They value personal responsibility and the idea that working hard should pay. They don't understand why the left goes on about white privilege when many white people they know are struggling. As the left's values are so far removed from the socially conservative working class, they have decided that Reform represents their viewpoint better. I absolutely get this.

I voted Labour in 2024, but based on what I’ve seen so far I will vote for Reform at the next general election.

I don't disagree with that. But In that case, if reform are the working class party then they should be politically/economically left, socially conservative.

But they are far from being politically/economically left.

So the whole thing of reform voters voting against their own interests is still there.

Christ, those policies are nuts - complete pie in the sky. I can only imagine they were on the finest Colombian marching powder when they wrote those 😂

@RedTagAlan
Obviously Reform are not economically left.
The left believe in sharing resources equally. I don't think this makes the working class better off if the economy is rubbish. So voting left is not in working class people's interests.
The right believe in supporting businesses to create economic growth even if that means some people are richer than others. Overall in the periods when we have had economic growth between 1950 to 2007 before the 2008 crash, life has generally improved for the working class. Most children have shoes, an indoor toilet, heating and can use transport in the UK. This was not the case in the 1950s or 1960s.
Working class people work in businesses and they want to keep their jobs. They want their children to be able to get a job which is a problem at the moment due to the taxes on businesses. Many working class people don't agree with the left's view that those who are not working should have an equal lifestyle. They believe work should pay.

Removing VAT from school fees.

Ridiculous tax based on punishing parents who can make alternative choices for their beleaguered SEN children.

Hopefully it will be reversed very quickly once Labour lose the next election.

Whereas all of Labour's current policies are well thought out, economically sound and beneficial for the country as a whole.

Said no one ever.

Quote "The left believe in sharing resources equally. I don't think this makes the working class better off if the economy is rubbish. So voting left is not in working class people's interests."

What do you mean by sharing resources equally. I am left and I don't what this means?

I believe work should pay too. People on benefits, asylum seekers and illegal arrivals having more than people who work will never make sense to me.

I felt the same about my last landlord. He never worked. I was doing the working and he took a big chunk of what I earned.

@RedTagAlan

I felt the same about my last landlord. He never worked.

So, how was he able to buy the property you rented?

I rent out two properties. Both purchased from what I have earned.

No mortgage being paid by your tenants?

@BIossomtoes

His parents bought him 4 houses. One for himself, 3 to rent out. Family were very well off. My landlord was the son who got mixed up in drugs and was basically unemployable.

@blossomtoes

No mortgage being paid by your tenants?

Since interest on mortgages is no longer tax deductible, but to let doesn’t work out anymore.

I worked in war zones like Iraq and hardship locations such as Russia and Kazakhstan. So, I was able to pay good deposits. Banks wanted a minimum of 25% deposit as I worked on contract.

Whenever I had spare money it was used to reduce the debt. Properties are now debt free.

Some are lucky and born into wealthy families and some win then lottery. However, for most people they have had to earn what they have.