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Why do you think Andy Burnham would be a good Prime Minister?

110 replies

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 09:41

I’m looking for solid practical reasons. I get that he’s got charisma and nice eyelashes and has done a good job as Mayor. But apart from that? What IS it about him that makes people think he’d be good at the job?

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BrinkWomanship · 17/05/2026 09:43

I just wish someone would lead the bloody country and effect change. I have a hunch that senior leaders in the civil service decide what policies will be supported / enacted and it makes no difference which party or PM figurehead is at the top. And that’s why most recent leaders (both of the red and blue variety) have come unstuck. None of Andy Burnham, Streeting, Rayner et al, will have any better luck. And so the cycle continues.

CurlewKate · 17/05/2026 11:28

BunnyBunbunbun · 17/05/2026 07:57

A scouse accent? Not sure about that. Yes, both Burnham and Streeting went to Cambridge, but they are both from very modest, working-class to lower-middle-class backgrounds (Streeting especially). I thought we wanted bright people from less privileged backgrounds and "normal" schools who work hard to get into Oxbridge and thrive.

I agree we need more people from backgrounds like theirs. Streeting in particular comes from a very challenging background indeed. Burnham much less so. I was just pointing out that we are inclined to attribute “man of the people” status for very superficial reasons and we need to watch that. Badenoch becoming working class because of a summer job in McDonalds springs to mind!

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Bulbsbulbsbulbs · 17/05/2026 11:31

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 15:46

Yes-people do forget that he’s an Oxbridge SPAD with a Scouse accent! But he does have good solid Parliamentary experience. And he did work for Tessa Jowell, who was a very committed and principled Minuster.

He has has a Mancunian accent, not Scouse. I'm from Manchester. He sounds exactly like the Gallagher brothers.

NorthXNorthWest · 17/05/2026 12:28

ElizaMulvil · 16/05/2026 20:58

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"I look at Andy and all I see is someone telling people to know their place and lower their expectations, rather than truly offering them a hand up. And I think he is prepared to use the money of people who have done the right thing to help build his political fiefdom in pursuit of greater power and glory. I mean the 100k a year for life is not bad for what will likely be just 2 years work..."

Well, Andy Burnham certainly knows how to give people a "hand up". He gives 15% of his salary to a homeless charity.

The major problem in this country is not that we are poor. We are one of the richest countries in the world. The problem is that the wealth has been increasingly concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.

The number of billionaires has doubled since 2010 while living standards of ordinary workers have been squeezed. ( TUC Analysis of the Times Rich List.)There were 9 Billionaires in 1988 ( first year of list) now there are 157. The average wealth of a Rich List Member is 7,600 times higher than that of the average British household.

The TUC has called for an increase in Capital gains tax and a windfall tax on banks. Real wages have grown by just 4.5% since 2010! - 0.3% per year. the number of people in poverty has risen form 13million to 13.4 million. Insecure work has risen by 800,000 since 2011.

Paul Novak the TUC General Secretary said we need an economy that rewards work not just wealth. Under the Tories the wealthiest were allowed to feather their nests while working people suffered an epidemic of insecure work ( fire and rehire eg) and the worst pay stagnation in 200 years! Clearly wealth has not trickled down but hoarded by those at the top.

Ironically despite people fearing that the rich would just flee the country, a recent poll showed that 3 quarters would be happy to pay MORE tax to remain in Britain.

The Rich List is an annual reminder of where wealth accumulates and where the costs fall. Energy companies made £26.2 billion PROFIT in the first 3 months of 2026. Billionaire Christopher Harborne who gave Reform leader Mr Farage £5 million, has an estimated fortune of £18.2 billion.

*Andy Burnham is a paragon of virtue in comparison!

All very well and noble that Andy Burnham chooses to give 15% of his salary to causes he believes in. But with a generous taxpayer-backed unfunded DB pension scheme to fall back on in retirement, one could argue he does not face the same financial risks around retirement security as many PAYE workers and private-sector professionals funding their own pensions privately. That matters because much of the discussion around Burnham centre on his charisma, authenticity and that he “is the man for the job”. It is entirely legitimate to ask whether someone with that level of financial security may view tax, redistribution and personal financial risk differently from those still trying to build long-term security for themselves and their families.

A quick search puts Burnham’s salary at around £118k per annum, right where the £100k cliff edge starts to bite. Given that charitable donations attract tax relief, a cynic might argue he is not simply sacrificing income, but choosing to direct part of the money that may otherwise have gone in general taxation towards causes he personally believes in.

You have not addressed the fact that, Labour’s messaging increasingly gives the impression that higher earners, long-term homeowners and people who have built up "assets", savings, pensions etc over decades are “privileged” groups / cash cows from whom even more can reasonably be extracted and treats them as thought they are essentially the same as billionaires. What is the TUC's view on these people? It is fair or proportionate? Especially given that globally mobile billionaire wealth is often far harder to tax in practice than UK-based PAYE professionals, graduates, homeowners, pensioners, and self-funders tied to the domestic economy.

You haven't addressed that fact that some graduates and professionals already face effective marginal deduction rates approaching 70% once the £100k taper, National Insurance and student loan repayments are combined. Many ordinary homeowners are guilty of nothing more than staying in an area for years whilst prices rose around them, or restoring dilapidated homes over decades. Likewise, self-funders in social care often pay enormous sums from the proceeds of homes they worked their whole lives to buy whilst simultaneously reducing pressure on the wider care system.

At some point, it is reasonable to ask whether ever increasing effective tax rates and property taxation genuinely create growth and aspiration, or whether they risk discouraging the very behaviours governments have encouraged for decades: work, saving, investment and self-provision. Too often we focus on charismatic leaders fighting dehumanised targets using proactive terms “billionaires”, “asset hoarders”, “privileged homeowners”, for the "worthy", rather than stepping back and asking whether the overall system genuinely stacks up in the medium and long term.

If the ability to build some level of security through work, saving and responsible choices is itself increasingly treated as a “privilege”, then what exactly are people being encouraged to strive for? Because once politicians like Andy decide that a certain level of security or success is “too much” and should therefore face high, ever increasing levels taxation, they are effectively deciding for other people what level of aspiration, security and self-provision they are allow to achieve.

Boomer55 · 19/05/2026 16:16

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 09:41

I’m looking for solid practical reasons. I get that he’s got charisma and nice eyelashes and has done a good job as Mayor. But apart from that? What IS it about him that makes people think he’d be good at the job?

I don’t think it’ll change anything. Labour have blown it, and will be out at the next GE.

JustGiveMeReason · 19/05/2026 17:38

Am heartened by the first few replies.

I don't understand why some Labour politicians have been persuaded to create drama by the right wing press.

I think our current PM is doing a good job and should be able to put all his energy into doing that and not fighting off insurgents from within his own party.

scalt · 19/05/2026 18:00

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 16/05/2026 23:00

I am a little suspicious of people attributing this whole mess to the press.

Firstly, a free press is essential to a functioning democracy. Just off the top of my head, I am thinking of the prepayment meter scandal, tainted blood products, post office IT systems, all either uncovered or pushed by our press. I look a little askance at anyone who criticises the press wholesale.

I do not buy that there is massive bias against Starmer more than other leaders. I read The Times, and they were brutal about May, ran a constant barrage of Johnson stories about gold wallpaper, the cost of his wife's clothes blah blah even before Covid and partygate. They went after Sunak like pillorying him for leaving the D Day ceremony early, which was a mistake, but it was like he'd been caught embezzling. Their coverage of the new administration was highly positive at the start, with many sympathetic pieces on Rachel Reeves, Labour's canny preparations for govt like business breakfasts and hiring Sue Gray etc.

The fact is, no one has made Starmer make the errors of judgement that he has, no one made Streeting resign or Al Carns publish that accidental Partridge essay in the New Statesman, nobody made Josh Simons stand aside etc. They are doing this themselves.

They really need to own it and stop blaming the press and electorate.

Where were the press in the early stages of the post office scandal, when the bosses were telling individual postmasters “nobody else is having problems”?

What were the press doing when the government was destroying people’s lives, aspirations, businesses, careers and children’s education and mental health with lockdown, lockdown and more lockdown?

Being the government’s main tool in their campaign of fear. The BBC was the worst offender. Not once did the press hold the government, the carnage of lockdown, or the campaign of fear to account. Our saintly press were highly instrumental in keeping the public frightened, and were extremely selective in their reporting. And it’s no good saying “but they reported Partygate” - that was a useful distraction from how absurd the restrictions were.

The the press might make the evil of government marginally less evil, they are hardly a force for good. And when the time is right, they will be saying “The God of Farage can solve all your problems, and he most certainly did not bribe us with the odd billion here and there.”

EasternStandard · 19/05/2026 18:09

JustGiveMeReason · 19/05/2026 17:38

Am heartened by the first few replies.

I don't understand why some Labour politicians have been persuaded to create drama by the right wing press.

I think our current PM is doing a good job and should be able to put all his energy into doing that and not fighting off insurgents from within his own party.

Labour shouldn’t use the rw press as a constant excuse.

CurlewKate · 19/05/2026 18:26

EasternStandard · 19/05/2026 18:09

Labour shouldn’t use the rw press as a constant excuse.

Not a constant excuse, no. The Labour Party’s excuse to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is legendary. But the rw press’s undying support for the Conservatives and Reform is undeniable. Cf glasses and a couple of suits v. 5 million quid.

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ByGraptharsHammer · 19/05/2026 18:31

BrinkWomanship · 17/05/2026 09:43

I just wish someone would lead the bloody country and effect change. I have a hunch that senior leaders in the civil service decide what policies will be supported / enacted and it makes no difference which party or PM figurehead is at the top. And that’s why most recent leaders (both of the red and blue variety) have come unstuck. None of Andy Burnham, Streeting, Rayner et al, will have any better luck. And so the cycle continues.

I think it’s more that both Conservatives and Labour cannot face that the tax system is stuffed. They have to make cuts and big ones. They have to rip up the planning system and let building commence. They have to deregulate employment rights but sustain reasonable jobs for people.

The civil service do not decide. But they will point out the downsides. Our politicians sit on the fence. They do not want to be the bad guy and tell us what the problems are. So they make decisions which are small, defensive and within a tiny margin.

Btw I don’t think Reform will be different. They too will find that they do not want to be the bad guy.

EasternStandard · 19/05/2026 18:36

CurlewKate · 19/05/2026 18:26

Not a constant excuse, no. The Labour Party’s excuse to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is legendary. But the rw press’s undying support for the Conservatives and Reform is undeniable. Cf glasses and a couple of suits v. 5 million quid.

Labour and Starmer were helped by the media partygate onwards.

It’s not over for them yet (actually idk on that) but the members are probably right on who is more likely to win at next GE for them.

JustGiveMeReason · 19/05/2026 18:38

EasternStandard · 19/05/2026 18:09

Labour shouldn’t use the rw press as a constant excuse.

No, but equally, wouldn't it be nice if we returned to a time when reporters reported what has actually happened, rather than trying to create the headlines themselves ?

I think it was John Major who said something this week about Governing the Country shouldn't be seen as a Game Show, where you had to vote people out all the time and have a revolving door or different Leaders.

I don't have Sky and have not been impressed by the ITV News this week when I switched over as BBC News at Ten wasn't on at 10pm so I tend to watch BBC. Chris Mason spends all of his airtime trying to bring down the current Prime Minister. Whether that comes from a right wing bias or from a desire to create drama (ie this Leadership Contest), I couldn't tell you. But I don't think it is any way to be running the Country.

fancypantss · 19/05/2026 18:50

I'm not sure even Jesus fucking Christ could turn things round for the UK right now unfortunately. Anything anyone tries to do to make things better is likely to cost a fuck ton of money that we don't have. Where do you go from there?

deeahgwitch · 19/05/2026 20:26

One line in your post screamed out at me - “…Energy companies made £26.2 billion PROFIT in the first 3 months of 2026…..”
Here in Ireland the left wing parties are shouting for the government to reinstate energy credits using taxpayer’s money.
So the energy companies will continue earning huge profits and the government will help those companies by using the people’s hard earned cash they worked hard for and had to give as tax to help pay their inflated energy bills.
Instead of calling for a windfall tax on those companies. 🥲
Have you seen British Gas profits ? Owned by Centrica as is Irish Gas (Bord Gais Eireann)
It’s bonkers.

RedRock41 · 19/05/2026 22:04

I don’t…

RedRock41 · 19/05/2026 22:05

fancypantss · 19/05/2026 18:50

I'm not sure even Jesus fucking Christ could turn things round for the UK right now unfortunately. Anything anyone tries to do to make things better is likely to cost a fuck ton of money that we don't have. Where do you go from there?

Yup. Yet we had £102bn to splash on HS2 = c.£1500 for every UK resident. Beyond madness and can only assume powers that be are or are connected to the shareholders.

JimBobsWife · 19/05/2026 22:17

deeahgwitch · 19/05/2026 20:26

One line in your post screamed out at me - “…Energy companies made £26.2 billion PROFIT in the first 3 months of 2026…..”
Here in Ireland the left wing parties are shouting for the government to reinstate energy credits using taxpayer’s money.
So the energy companies will continue earning huge profits and the government will help those companies by using the people’s hard earned cash they worked hard for and had to give as tax to help pay their inflated energy bills.
Instead of calling for a windfall tax on those companies. 🥲
Have you seen British Gas profits ? Owned by Centrica as is Irish Gas (Bord Gais Eireann)
It’s bonkers.

There is already a windfall tax.

EDITED - Just saw you said Ireland so that may not be the case…

mellongoose · 20/05/2026 08:25

No. He was a mediocre minister. As Mayor he has had the pleasure of spending other people’s money with no real consequences.

BIossomtoes · 20/05/2026 08:39

mellongoose · 20/05/2026 08:25

No. He was a mediocre minister. As Mayor he has had the pleasure of spending other people’s money with no real consequences.

Well it’s made him incredibly popular in Manchester so clearly people like the way he’s spending their money.

ViolaPlains · 20/05/2026 08:40

I’m in GM and I don’t recognise this fantastic GM that his publicity people rave about.

BIossomtoes · 20/05/2026 08:42

ViolaPlains · 20/05/2026 08:40

I’m in GM and I don’t recognise this fantastic GM that his publicity people rave about.

Clearly lots of your fellow residents do recognise it because they keep voting for Burnham. Democracy can be so inconvenient sometimes, can’t it?

Screamingabdabz · 20/05/2026 08:45

Yeah I was a supporter but his comments on women’s rights have lost me. It shows he’s not very bright.

BIossomtoes · 20/05/2026 08:48

Screamingabdabz · 20/05/2026 08:45

Yeah I was a supporter but his comments on women’s rights have lost me. It shows he’s not very bright.

No, it shows he disagrees with you. Lots of very bright people disagree with you.

Sandycar · 20/05/2026 08:58

So biological women shouldn’t have rights to same sex provision according to him? Any man can just claim they are a woman and go in women’s spaces? And he doesn’t think that might be a problem? Ok.

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