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Why do you think Andy Burnham would be a good Prime Minister?

110 replies

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 09:41

I’m looking for solid practical reasons. I get that he’s got charisma and nice eyelashes and has done a good job as Mayor. But apart from that? What IS it about him that makes people think he’d be good at the job?

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EarthlyNightshade · 16/05/2026 12:43

Regardless of how good he is, the press will come after him within a week because he will have done something sketchy (maybe very minor) that the people won't like.
They will then call for his resignation, someone else in the Labour party will fancy their chances, another leadership challenge will ensue and they will be forced to have a general election.
And that's when Five million Farage steps in.

MarmiteRoasties · 16/05/2026 12:45

Threeslothsontheshirt · 16/05/2026 11:12

Yes because he’s tall

He’s really not! Having met him in person a few times, he’s surprisingly short but very charismatic

Iamstardust · 16/05/2026 12:46

Charisma is a highly desirable personality trait... for liars, grifters, cult leaders and con artists.

Threeslothsontheshirt · 16/05/2026 13:17

MarmiteRoasties · 16/05/2026 12:45

He’s really not! Having met him in person a few times, he’s surprisingly short but very charismatic

No! He looks tall. I like him ❤️

NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 13:30

I don’t think Andy Burnham would make a good Prime Minister because I believe his politics lean too heavily towards redistribution and I am skeptical of the skills of expanded state intervention. Water companies anyone?, rather than focusing enough on long-term growth, productivity and wealth creation. I’m not anit intervention. Investment in healthcare, education, infrastructure and helping people become more productive members of society is important. A functioning society should support vulnerable people and create opportunities for those who can improve their situation.

He is more Left than Kier. I'm concerned about the focus on redistributing “existing wealth” without addressing the underlying issues limiting growth. Not all wealth creation is harmful. There is a major difference between productive businesses that create jobs and contribute to the economy, and large corporations using aggressive tax avoidance strategies or limiting/eliminating competition. There is also a difference between ordinary homeowners, ordinary workers and institutions holding vast property portfolios.

I hate that Labour often uses the politics of envy to get a green light to go after easier targets rather solving actual problems. I anticipate more of this with him. A lot of the language used around redistribution is framed in compassionate terms like “levelling up opportunity”, “supporting working people”, “fairness”, “bringing children out of poverty” or “making the wealthy pay their fair share”. Yet the language used to describe those paying the most for it can become dehumanising. Ordinary homeowners and people on relatively normal salaries who worked, paid taxes, saved into pensions and bought a family home are increasingly described as “asset rich”, “the broadest shoulders”, “privileged” or “those with more”. That matters. There is a huge difference between someone owning one home on an ordinary salary and institutions or individuals holding massive property portfolios and generating wealth at an entirely different scale.

I support anyone who wants reduce poverty and increase opportunity, including building more homes and improving public services. But we should be focusing on growing the pie, not just redistributing thinner slices of the same small pie differently. Growth creates more jobs, more opportunities and ultimately more resources to support those who genuinely need help. We have a growing welfare state, slow / no growth, not enough homes , jobs or resources. So redistribution of an ever decreasing pie isn't going to solve the problem.

I look at Andy and all I see is someone telling people to know their place and lower their expectations, rather than truly offering them a hand up. And I think he is prepared to use the money of people who have done the right thing to help build his political fiefdom in pursuit of greater power and glory. I mean the 100k a year for life is not bad for what will likely be just 2 years work...

He resigned from being a bit player in Westminster to become the “King of the North”, but as soon as there is even a hint of a path back to the top job, it suddenly becomes “nice knowing you Manchester, well hello London, all hail your new King of Westminster!" The presumption that the people of Makerfield, who only recently voted for their local representatives should simply accept a democratically elected MP stepping aside so Andy can pursue national power says a lot about how politics increasingly treats voters as feckless pawns. I , personally hope he gets his arse handed to him.

NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 13:36

MarmiteRoasties · 16/05/2026 12:45

He’s really not! Having met him in person a few times, he’s surprisingly short but very charismatic

He looks like he has a medical condition.

upinaballoon · 16/05/2026 14:05

It's a serious question on a serious thread and also not very long to read, yet. If you kick me for sounding picky and pompous, well shucks, but I would like to say that it has been a pleasure to read posts where there are so may well-formed sentences and good punctuation and well-expressed ideas. I don't think there's been a 'gonna' yet.
There was a film 'Sneakers' ? in which was pointed out the power of the press. Build them up. Then knock them down. What larks.

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 14:48

NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 13:36

He looks like he has a medical condition.

What a bizarre way to follow your thoughtful and interesting earlier post!

incidentally, he was not a bit player in Westminster-he held several significant roles. And I am always wary when people use phrases like “the politics of envy” and “levelling down”. They usually mean “I will guard my privilege like Gollum”!

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CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 14:50

He’s 5’10 btw.

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 16/05/2026 14:51

Bulbsbulbsbulbs · 16/05/2026 09:48

At the end of the day the media will decide, just like the media has decided Keir Starmers fate. It's just so depressing that press barons still rule.

He's got more charisma is the only thing. You can't learn charisma.

We have the most principled Prime Minister since Gordon Brown, a man who genuinely wants to make a difference, and yet he's out because he hasn't got any charisma.

Exactly. I'm so sick of the fucking British media. Not sure really why we even bother voting.

Walkyrie · 16/05/2026 14:52

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 09:41

I’m looking for solid practical reasons. I get that he’s got charisma and nice eyelashes and has done a good job as Mayor. But apart from that? What IS it about him that makes people think he’d be good at the job?

I dont, he’s an Oxbridge-to-think-tank-then-Parliament type. The fact he has an accent seems to be enough for people to think he’s this really salt of the earth practical guy. Madness.

Walkyrie · 16/05/2026 14:53

NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 13:36

He looks like he has a medical condition.

I always think he either looks like he’s been crying or has a cold

Candlesnuffer · 16/05/2026 15:04

Preppyprepper · 16/05/2026 09:55

I don't think he would make a better Prime Minister at all. Nothing I've seen from him tells me he can make tough decisions about the long-term future of the UK, he just speaks well to the media and looks like a nice guy.

It's infuriating that the Press has created this whole drama for the 24-hour news cycle. The UK needs to adapt to the future in very chaotic global conditions. This needs a long-term approach which the current PM is trying to address, but because it's boring with not much to show in the short term, the Press, and then the public, start craving a bit more drama.

I sincerely hope Andy Burnham rethinks this whole mess. He might have been a good candidate to take over if Starmer stepped down in a few years, but now is not the right time, and he is likely to ruin his reputation and chances forever if it all goes wrong (reform gets in, or he loses in a leadership contest to KS). Streeting has just ruined his own reputation and chances by doing the same

Totally agree with this post and hope Andy Burnham steps back. More wasted money as well.

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 15:46

Walkyrie · 16/05/2026 14:52

I dont, he’s an Oxbridge-to-think-tank-then-Parliament type. The fact he has an accent seems to be enough for people to think he’s this really salt of the earth practical guy. Madness.

Yes-people do forget that he’s an Oxbridge SPAD with a Scouse accent! But he does have good solid Parliamentary experience. And he did work for Tessa Jowell, who was a very committed and principled Minuster.

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NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 18:40

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 14:48

What a bizarre way to follow your thoughtful and interesting earlier post!

incidentally, he was not a bit player in Westminster-he held several significant roles. And I am always wary when people use phrases like “the politics of envy” and “levelling down”. They usually mean “I will guard my privilege like Gollum”!

Apologies in advance for any typos I am on a train, on my phone and it's a pain to proof read.

You asked for opinions. Those are my opinions and the reasons behind them. In my view, he is part of the problem, and so are Labour more broadly. The Prime Minister may be “first amongst equals”, with arguably less individual power than in the past, but the wider political team and direction of travel still matter. I believe the country will be poorer, weaker and more divided.

Your post was reductive and an unfair reading of what I said. Wanting growth, productivity and wealth creation to be prioritised alongside redistribution does not automatically mean I am “guarding privilege like Gollum.” I am for none of the above politically. They are all just grifters wearing different colours. I just believe it is perfectly possible to support social mobility, public services and helping vulnerable people while still questioning whether ever-higher taxation and redistribution alone solves this country’s problems. I also think the phrase “politics of envy” can sometimes be a reasonable criticism of how certain policies are framed politically in order to build support for them.

My point is not that all taxation or redistribution is wrong. It is that there are limits and trade-offs involved, which many economists with differing perspective recognise. After a certain point, continually increasing the tax burden in a country with weak growth and low productivity will become counterproductive by discouraging investment, entrepreneurship and skilled worker staying in work - we already have a problem with people retiring early or changing their working pattern to not hit tax cliff edges, ultimately shrinking tax receipts/ the tax base needed to fund public services sustainably. There is such a thing as the Laffer Curve.

I also think there is a huge difference between concentrated corporate/HNW wealth and ordinary people who worked, paid taxes, saved into pensions or bought a family home decades ago. Increasingly, Labours rhetoric lumps these different under disingenuous provocative labels such as “asset rich”, “privileged” or “those with the broadest shoulders”. This can can make normal aspiration sound morally suspect and imply there a limit that decent people do not go beyond. Many of these people are not living extravagant lifestyles. They did what was asked of them by successive governments: work, save, contribute and try to build long-term security for themselves and their families. In many cases, self-funders already subsidise large parts of the social care system through their taxes and assets - c30% of the social care bill according to different sources. If you continually penalise saving, ownership and self-reliance, you risk eventually creating more dependency on the state rather than less.

I will say it again. If we really want to address housing inflation and the cost-of-living crisis, we need to look at structural causes such as supply constraints, planning, infrastructure and broader economic stagnation rather than implying ordinary homeowners are responsible for national decline. Governments, both red and blue, encouraged home ownership add in deregulation of parts of the financial market and a failure to replace enough social housing (both of them guilty). Increasingly, private companies profit from shortages while taxpayers still absorb many of the wider social costs.

The same applies to higher education. Labour often talks about “lifting children out of poverty”. For years, young people have been encouraged to go to university as a way to improve their lives and become the most productive citizens they can be. Universities should therefore be viewed as an investment in people and in the country’s future prosperity. That is why I think pushing a reductionist rhetoric suggesting that “people who did not go to university should not have to pay for those who do” is overly simplistic and breeds contempt. Many graduates are likely to become net contributors over their lifetimes through increased earnings and higher taxes. So higher education often benefits the wider economy and the public purse, not just the individual. Yet graduates under Labour are increasingly framed as privileged beneficiaries of public support, despite many having eyewatering student debts yet fewer job opportunities. (Budget for growth anyone?). Plan 2 borrowers enjoying the extra “privileges”. Granted, that is a system Labour did not create, but one it appears content to continue benefiting from. If we want to talk protectionism and systems that unfairly burden certain groups, perhaps we should start there.

And on Burnham specifically, yes, “bit player” might be jarring to you, but is is a fair description. He held senior roles but did not the power of Cameron, Johnson or Blair. You completely missed my broader point - he build a regional kingdom/ anti-Westminster reputation, only to jack in it as soon as there was a sniff of even more power.

As for the “medical condition” comment, people had already commented that he was “hot” and charismatic, which is equally unrelated to policy or competence. I accept that neither comment or the others adds anything to a serious political discussion, but I found it interesting that my comment was singled out while the other appearance-based remarks were largely ignored. If this were a female politician, I suspect comments about attractiveness would have been challenged much more quickly.

I still stand by the view that he is not the right person to become Prime Minister. As for who did what - red, blue or orange - we are well past simple tribal politics at this point. I just want someone in power and will actually fix the country rather than blindly following an ideological, heavy tax and redistribution policy that has repeatedly failed to deliver in any country that has tried it.

Does this make my position clearer? it's pretty much what I wrote earlier.

Lilactimes · 16/05/2026 18:53

NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 18:40

Apologies in advance for any typos I am on a train, on my phone and it's a pain to proof read.

You asked for opinions. Those are my opinions and the reasons behind them. In my view, he is part of the problem, and so are Labour more broadly. The Prime Minister may be “first amongst equals”, with arguably less individual power than in the past, but the wider political team and direction of travel still matter. I believe the country will be poorer, weaker and more divided.

Your post was reductive and an unfair reading of what I said. Wanting growth, productivity and wealth creation to be prioritised alongside redistribution does not automatically mean I am “guarding privilege like Gollum.” I am for none of the above politically. They are all just grifters wearing different colours. I just believe it is perfectly possible to support social mobility, public services and helping vulnerable people while still questioning whether ever-higher taxation and redistribution alone solves this country’s problems. I also think the phrase “politics of envy” can sometimes be a reasonable criticism of how certain policies are framed politically in order to build support for them.

My point is not that all taxation or redistribution is wrong. It is that there are limits and trade-offs involved, which many economists with differing perspective recognise. After a certain point, continually increasing the tax burden in a country with weak growth and low productivity will become counterproductive by discouraging investment, entrepreneurship and skilled worker staying in work - we already have a problem with people retiring early or changing their working pattern to not hit tax cliff edges, ultimately shrinking tax receipts/ the tax base needed to fund public services sustainably. There is such a thing as the Laffer Curve.

I also think there is a huge difference between concentrated corporate/HNW wealth and ordinary people who worked, paid taxes, saved into pensions or bought a family home decades ago. Increasingly, Labours rhetoric lumps these different under disingenuous provocative labels such as “asset rich”, “privileged” or “those with the broadest shoulders”. This can can make normal aspiration sound morally suspect and imply there a limit that decent people do not go beyond. Many of these people are not living extravagant lifestyles. They did what was asked of them by successive governments: work, save, contribute and try to build long-term security for themselves and their families. In many cases, self-funders already subsidise large parts of the social care system through their taxes and assets - c30% of the social care bill according to different sources. If you continually penalise saving, ownership and self-reliance, you risk eventually creating more dependency on the state rather than less.

I will say it again. If we really want to address housing inflation and the cost-of-living crisis, we need to look at structural causes such as supply constraints, planning, infrastructure and broader economic stagnation rather than implying ordinary homeowners are responsible for national decline. Governments, both red and blue, encouraged home ownership add in deregulation of parts of the financial market and a failure to replace enough social housing (both of them guilty). Increasingly, private companies profit from shortages while taxpayers still absorb many of the wider social costs.

The same applies to higher education. Labour often talks about “lifting children out of poverty”. For years, young people have been encouraged to go to university as a way to improve their lives and become the most productive citizens they can be. Universities should therefore be viewed as an investment in people and in the country’s future prosperity. That is why I think pushing a reductionist rhetoric suggesting that “people who did not go to university should not have to pay for those who do” is overly simplistic and breeds contempt. Many graduates are likely to become net contributors over their lifetimes through increased earnings and higher taxes. So higher education often benefits the wider economy and the public purse, not just the individual. Yet graduates under Labour are increasingly framed as privileged beneficiaries of public support, despite many having eyewatering student debts yet fewer job opportunities. (Budget for growth anyone?). Plan 2 borrowers enjoying the extra “privileges”. Granted, that is a system Labour did not create, but one it appears content to continue benefiting from. If we want to talk protectionism and systems that unfairly burden certain groups, perhaps we should start there.

And on Burnham specifically, yes, “bit player” might be jarring to you, but is is a fair description. He held senior roles but did not the power of Cameron, Johnson or Blair. You completely missed my broader point - he build a regional kingdom/ anti-Westminster reputation, only to jack in it as soon as there was a sniff of even more power.

As for the “medical condition” comment, people had already commented that he was “hot” and charismatic, which is equally unrelated to policy or competence. I accept that neither comment or the others adds anything to a serious political discussion, but I found it interesting that my comment was singled out while the other appearance-based remarks were largely ignored. If this were a female politician, I suspect comments about attractiveness would have been challenged much more quickly.

I still stand by the view that he is not the right person to become Prime Minister. As for who did what - red, blue or orange - we are well past simple tribal politics at this point. I just want someone in power and will actually fix the country rather than blindly following an ideological, heavy tax and redistribution policy that has repeatedly failed to deliver in any country that has tried it.

Does this make my position clearer? it's pretty much what I wrote earlier.

@NorthXNorthWest - this is interesting and i agree with a lot of what you say. There is wealth tho - and then there's WEALTH.
I think the issue i have is with people with extreme wealth - billionaires not paying their share.

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 19:18

@NorthXNorthWest Apologies, I haven’t got time this evening to reply properly. I just wanted to point out that of course he hasn’t got the experience of someone who had already been PM-but being Chief Secretary to the Treasury and Secretary of State for Health, among other roles, is hardly taking “bit” parts. And, while comments about his “hotness” are a little tedious, they are not in the same ball park as saying he looks as if he has a disability. That’s why I decided not to comment on those in order to keep the thread moving but could not leave your remark unnoted.
I am still undecided about him myself-but my main objection at the moment is that I think either he will lose his by-election to Reform, which will be disastrous both for Labour and the country or he will win it, which means we will have an undemocratically elected PM-which will be disastrous for democracy.

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NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 19:50

I take your point on the disability comment. It was a poor choice of words on my part, and I apologise for using that description.

I agree, though, that I don't think it will be a shoo-in. I also think it is disrespectful to the voters in Makerfield. Maybe if they had canvassed opinion locally first, it would feel more like a decision being made for the greater good rather than something imposed on them. But even then I am not sure how comfortable I am with him taking a job from a democratically elected official.

And before anyone says “we do not vote for Prime Ministers”, I understand technically we vote for parties and local MPs. But party leaders are obviously a major part of modern general elections, so I completely agree with you that it would not be a great look democratically..

ElizaMulvil · 16/05/2026 20:58

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"I look at Andy and all I see is someone telling people to know their place and lower their expectations, rather than truly offering them a hand up. And I think he is prepared to use the money of people who have done the right thing to help build his political fiefdom in pursuit of greater power and glory. I mean the 100k a year for life is not bad for what will likely be just 2 years work..."

Well, Andy Burnham certainly knows how to give people a "hand up". He gives 15% of his salary to a homeless charity.

The major problem in this country is not that we are poor. We are one of the richest countries in the world. The problem is that the wealth has been increasingly concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.

The number of billionaires has doubled since 2010 while living standards of ordinary workers have been squeezed. ( TUC Analysis of the Times Rich List.)There were 9 Billionaires in 1988 ( first year of list) now there are 157. The average wealth of a Rich List Member is 7,600 times higher than that of the average British household.

The TUC has called for an increase in Capital gains tax and a windfall tax on banks. Real wages have grown by just 4.5% since 2010! - 0.3% per year. the number of people in poverty has risen form 13million to 13.4 million. Insecure work has risen by 800,000 since 2011.

Paul Novak the TUC General Secretary said we need an economy that rewards work not just wealth. Under the Tories the wealthiest were allowed to feather their nests while working people suffered an epidemic of insecure work ( fire and rehire eg) and the worst pay stagnation in 200 years! Clearly wealth has not trickled down but hoarded by those at the top.

Ironically despite people fearing that the rich would just flee the country, a recent poll showed that 3 quarters would be happy to pay MORE tax to remain in Britain.

The Rich List is an annual reminder of where wealth accumulates and where the costs fall. Energy companies made £26.2 billion PROFIT in the first 3 months of 2026. Billionaire Christopher Harborne who gave Reform leader Mr Farage £5 million, has an estimated fortune of £18.2 billion.

*Andy Burnham is a paragon of virtue in comparison!

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 16/05/2026 22:48

Lilactimes · 16/05/2026 18:53

@NorthXNorthWest - this is interesting and i agree with a lot of what you say. There is wealth tho - and then there's WEALTH.
I think the issue i have is with people with extreme wealth - billionaires not paying their share.

Yes but her point is, Labour rhetoric elides that difference.

ByGraptharsHammer · 16/05/2026 22:53

He’s been rejected twice as a leader already! What makes him good as a leader?

If it’s “not Keir Starmer” or more left wing then the press will be even worse.

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 16/05/2026 23:00

I am a little suspicious of people attributing this whole mess to the press.

Firstly, a free press is essential to a functioning democracy. Just off the top of my head, I am thinking of the prepayment meter scandal, tainted blood products, post office IT systems, all either uncovered or pushed by our press. I look a little askance at anyone who criticises the press wholesale.

I do not buy that there is massive bias against Starmer more than other leaders. I read The Times, and they were brutal about May, ran a constant barrage of Johnson stories about gold wallpaper, the cost of his wife's clothes blah blah even before Covid and partygate. They went after Sunak like pillorying him for leaving the D Day ceremony early, which was a mistake, but it was like he'd been caught embezzling. Their coverage of the new administration was highly positive at the start, with many sympathetic pieces on Rachel Reeves, Labour's canny preparations for govt like business breakfasts and hiring Sue Gray etc.

The fact is, no one has made Starmer make the errors of judgement that he has, no one made Streeting resign or Al Carns publish that accidental Partridge essay in the New Statesman, nobody made Josh Simons stand aside etc. They are doing this themselves.

They really need to own it and stop blaming the press and electorate.

deeahgwitch · 16/05/2026 23:10

I don’t live in the UK and am not a British citizen so be gentle- I mixed up Andy Burnham with Andy Street Blush

MsGreying · 16/05/2026 23:10

Telegraph has him as having wasted £100m on the CAZ
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And he wants to join the EU. Makerfield was 66-68% leave.

BunnyBunbunbun · 17/05/2026 07:57

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 15:46

Yes-people do forget that he’s an Oxbridge SPAD with a Scouse accent! But he does have good solid Parliamentary experience. And he did work for Tessa Jowell, who was a very committed and principled Minuster.

A scouse accent? Not sure about that. Yes, both Burnham and Streeting went to Cambridge, but they are both from very modest, working-class to lower-middle-class backgrounds (Streeting especially). I thought we wanted bright people from less privileged backgrounds and "normal" schools who work hard to get into Oxbridge and thrive.