Why are Labour MPs so out of touch with what the public want?

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I voted Labour and haven’t been overly impressed with him. But I also can’t think of anything worse than changing leader right now and see how this uncertainty is affecting markets. Why can’t these Labour MPs see the harm they are creating? What is it they actually want? Because I don’t think these Labour MPs have a clue. They are just scared to lose their jobs!

The people who voted Reform have, in some areas, got the Reform council, or at least councillors, that they voted for. It wasn't a general election. They voted (or didn't vote) in a GE less than 2 years ago and will get to vote in the next one in 3 years. Many will have changed their mind again between now and then.

We can't just keep changing governments with the weather, according to the fickleness of the media.

Excellent post - they're going to lose anyway so why not do what is electorally really unpopular but economically essential.

They don’t have a clue. I think noone feels shame anymore and tries to blame everyone else, as the whole party is absolutely bloody useless.

Do you mean infrastructure like the privately owned water companies that can't adequately keep sewage away from what should be clean water? Those privately owned water companies which, when penalised for allowing shit to end up where it shouldn't be, charge customers more?

No I means roads and rail etc
Do you mean the privately owned water companies that somehow Ofwat left to their own devices and the last several governments ignored?

They realise that whilst a protest vote, that the General Election will be here all too quickly. And they will likely be out of a job unless change of some sort occurs.

And the GE will be Reform’s to lose. Scarily.

I’m don’t run with this. I look at who didn’t vote not who did. The polls showed that reform were going to have a stonking lead. It was all over the press. All the predictions showed that they would get a massive amount of seats. If someone really really hated them and wanted to not have Reform win then they would have got off their bum and voted against them. My view is if you don’t vote, you were effectively voting for the front runner because you didn’t feel strongly enough to vote against them. So my view is that they are even more popular then they seem or at the very least people are apathetic to whether or not they get in.

They want stability, continuity and less drama.

Yes, I mean the very same. I don't disagree with you about roads and rail even though we probably disagree, if I understood that part of your post correctly, on exactly how it should be funded or exactly where the investment needs to be.

Changing PM is the last thing they should do if they want to be re-elected. It’s just advertising how out of control they are.

Agree -

It’s not serving it, the bond yield os how expensive our debt is. It’s how creditworthy we are. Without creditworthiness we can’t borrow money to finance our rising public spending.

I think we need to really slash spending, I suspect by the end of Labours term in parliament we are going to be forced to.

There are some really thought provoking articles about this at

www.spiked-online.com

(Writers include Brendan O’Neill and Julie Burchill)

Where are all these nursing vacancies that a pp talks about? I've read a few threads on here lately saying that many NHS trusts have recruitment freezes and newly qualified HCPs including nurses, obviously doctors, physios, paramedics etc just can't get jobs.

I think the answer is that the public want Labour gone, and Labour can very much see that. That’s why they are so desperate to get rid of Starmer and replace home with someone who they hope can things around before the next election.

I think the signs that this cohort of Labour MPs were not really thinking in terms of a decade of power (in terms of a majority which suggests that) was the issue about disability benefit cuts. When that didn’t go through, and it should have done, suddenly you could see a huge problem on domestic policy early on. I don’t think Starmer and Reeves have ever really recovered from that.

Politics is a simple game where a party hangs together. If it doesn’t it will lose. These MPs don’t realise why they have actual jobs.

I was looking recently for NHS apprenticeships for allied health care roles ( physios, sonographers etc).
None in my large city with a teaching hospital. If we are short of healthcare workers TRAIN THEM from the flipping army of unemployed people desperate for a chance.

because what the public want would ruin the country within the global community

Quite frankly I’ll take a secure economy and low crime over the opinion of the global community.

Also, what is “global community” anyway?

There are alliances, but is there one global community?

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat The rest of the world matters if we are talking about the financial world. We are closely linked to what others think and how they act in the financial markets. It really does matter because our borrowing repayments go up and up if we don’t stay calm and pay attention to finance. Spending £110 billion a year on loans is atrocious and going up.

But that’s not “global community”.

That’s financial markets. Business, not vague community.

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat A global community is everything outside GB. If you are just talking about foreign policy, that’s very narrow and we are on the back foot with that as well. Brexit has hastened that and Trump. We should be far more focussed on business and finance. We are all poorer if they don’t and Trump won’t do what we want - obviously.

I don’t know. Andy Burnham seems a steady pair of hands who can get things done -we need someone who can get others on board and make decisions and I think he’s the only one who can do that.
look how many people Starmer has got rid of -starting with Sue Gray -I mean that is ridiculous in a leader -appoint people then get rid of them??!!

The public don't know what they want.

They voted for a left wing party less than 2 years ago and have now more have voted for a far right party.

How that think they can get the economy going with Trump disrupting the world economy is beyond me. He said he would get a deal on Ukraine and totally failed. After he gave up on that he started a war with Iran> Despite Farage being all in on that war they cannot put 2 nd 2 together

My only guess is white van man with his tin port company has got used to paying virtually no tax for years and is complaining they have to up the workers pittance and pay more NI to fix the NHS the last right wing gov's wrecked

Pubs are shutting because of internet dating and shops because of online shopping. Remarkedly thousands of new takeaways have opened and they can afford the increase in min wage etc.TYpical reform voter is too buy complaining their knocked up kid can't get a council house to put down their vape and think it through