Why are Labour MPs so out of touch with what the public want?

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I voted Labour and haven’t been overly impressed with him. But I also can’t think of anything worse than changing leader right now and see how this uncertainty is affecting markets. Why can’t these Labour MPs see the harm they are creating? What is it they actually want? Because I don’t think these Labour MPs have a clue. They are just scared to lose their jobs!

Becket think they are better than the voting public and because they think the electorate needs re-education.

Sigh.

Is there any evidence that the people immigrating to the UK are all running legitimate businesses and paying all of their taxes?

Depending on their productivity.

Otherwise they are a financial drain.

Agree. They are being led by the press rather than the public
Hugely frustrating

But then we also have to pay for the new people and their families when they got old… we have a million out of work youth to think about too.
Of course we should have immigration but not at the rate we have, and not solely from places that are going to increase division.
It’s been too much, too fast- most people can see that.
Speaking as someone who has not a single great grandparent from these isles.

I think what I was trying to say upthread is that there seems to be a huge gulf between what people generally want, and what they are told they want. I just want to see a bit of old fashioned common sense honestly, and less ideology.
I don’t care about pronouns or microagressions, I care about maternity services and people being murdered for their ethnicity.
I don’t want the country to align along religious lines, I want people of all colours and creeds to be treated equally.
Id say the 1990s was the closest we came. Schools got better, racial tension was way down, people could get jobs. We rubbed along.
Wtf happened??

I agree. I am really pissed off with these deluded idiots.

And now fucking Jess Philips! Insanity!

This. He's not a president but a prime minister. They can just change their policies. After all a new leader but the same policies won't help at all.

@RedTagAlanobviously you’re an old skool Labour supporter, so out of touch with why they won the election. It wasn’t on any Corbynistic style policies! Most of us would rather stick pins in our eyes than deal with his deluded ideas!

@IfNot Many immigrants want the ladder pulled up. It’s why many will vote Reform.

Yes, Labour are self destructing but they have a huge majority and bolshy backbenchers! Many of whom have the economic intelligence of a baked bean.

Totally agree with you. I voted for them too, thinking they couldn't be that bad, and with a big majority they could keep a lid on the lunatic fringe. Sadly, they haven't. The constant u-turns, forced by backbench MP's who aren't even embarrassed that even though there are 400 of them, none of them are seen as competent enough to be Prime Minister so they have to hang their hat on Andy Burnham. A man who they have forgotten was a mediocre Cabinet minister in the Blair government and hasn't even got a seat! The Labour party are ungovernable, which makes them unsuitable for government, and that is completely down to them.

Many immigrants don't 'want the ladder pulled up'. They don't want their communities flooded with people who did not come here fairly and legally like they did. They don't want people importing sectarian violence from 'back home' onto their streets and they don't want people working in illegal drug and money laundering operations, which again will be most likely concentrated in immigrant communities.

Actually no. I am just someone that is familiar with what left and right is. And it appears that some people saying they are not happy them think they are not left wing.

All - as in 100%. Well no, but then neither do 100% of any group of people all act legally.

But there is no doubt that the vast majority of people who come to the UK are employed and paying taxes via PAYE.

@RedTagAlani think everyone is familiar with that! But you’re obviously not familiar with modern politics and the idea of parties being centre left or centre right! And also without an economy we’d all be fucked! More so than we already are!

Bond yields rising means mortgage rates rise, as does the cost of borrowing to fund public services.

If they want to change the system they first need to repay £3 trillion of debt. Until that time, they need to pay attention to the markets.

(I don’t agree with OP about Starmer- Labour can’t win with him as PM so better to rip the plaster off now and have a hope of recovering some ground. But she’s not wrong to worry about the bond market- it affects everyone.)

Great post

I am familiar with politics.

A left wing government should really be raising taxes to reduce borrowing. Tax the rich really. Tax the capitalists. Is that not how it is supposed to work ?

I believe they are being taxed. Or are you talking about a wealth tax?

@RedTagAlan
You write 'tax the rich really'. Do you think the rich are not taxed? Do you really know anything about how a country is run.

Starmer seems to lack vision, so he needs to bring together other talents from across the party to help him find that vision.
Gordon Brown and Harriet Harman?

They also need to tell a much better story about what they're doing.
People don't need 'stories'. They know how rubbish their prospects are, they see it every day. They want deeds not words (as Jess Phillips said).

Apparently not. It appears that even the left are supposed to bow down to capitalism now.

I genuinely think Labour are finished. They need to split. The two camps within the party are just diametrically opposed to one another. When Blair won his landslide, he was offering what looked like a centre left government. It became apparent fairly quickly that he was actually centre right and liberal. But, his second and third term now make it look as though that was what people wanted. It wasn't at all, but the vagaries of FPTP meant that when he haemorrhaged 4 million votes between 1997 and 2001, he only lost 6 seats. For comparison, Boris Johnson only added 600,000 votes to Theresa May's tally and won an 80 seat majority where Theresa May lost hers. Losing 4 million votes would represent an absolute decimation in a different election. FPTP is undemocratic and completely twists the reality of all our general elections.

The Labour Party now is stuffed full of what I would term liberals and those who see their jobs as defenders of the benefits system. Labour lost far more voters to Reform than the Greens, despite the media telling us it would be the other way round. And this is because the Labour Party is supposed to be a socialist party representing the working class (everyone who works for a living, not just those claiming UC), and that to me means left wing fiscally and more right leaning culturally. Their core base didn't leave Labour, Labour deserted them with Blair, Mandelson, Campbell etc. This has been a long time coming for Labour, it's sad but they only have themselves to blame.

They're not pleasing anyone at the moment. The membership is left wing culturally and the government is more right wing than the voters who lent them their votes thought they were getting. They're in a mess.

Absolutely this.
Your comment seems so sensible and right and how the country should be run.
How are they fucking up so badly.

What happened? Mass immigration and the internet. One of those can be dealt with - or at least stopped. But .