What is the best way to vote to stop Reform at next GE

[HedgeKnights]

As a more left leaning voter, I am happy to vote Labour, Lib Dem or Green. I am worried Reform will win the next GE and think Lib Dem might be the way to go, to keep them out. Not just as a tactical vote as I do like most of their policies.
Do people who don't want Reform in power need to to come together now behind one party, or is it more difficult than that
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Yes, they were bleating on about how they could win from the north of Scotland to the south coast. They only won seats in Scotland via the regional list vote and averaged around 15% of the vote across the Scotland. They came in third place, if not lower in the majority of constituencies. They're not universally popular and a lot of people will do whatever it takes to prevent Farage from becoming PM. However, I very much expect the lovely Tories to hop into bed with them and form a pact to stand down candidates for each other at the next general election.

There was a Reform councillor in my area who got in about 3 years ago. He was actually the local Reform leader. I’m glad to say he lost his seat yesterday. There are some other new Reform councillors in the area (not many fortunately). It will be interesting to see what happens with them.

Yes, that’s true. I am dubious about the effectiveness of coalitions when compromise is essential.

In the long run is it always a better model for the electorate?

Some of the comments on this thread really have sinister, gloating and almost threatening tones...

And then you wonder why decent people don't want anything to do with Reform.

I don’t see why being unpopular in Scotland would be a deal breaker for Reform. It never stopped various Tory governments.

It's not imposing your will and indoctrinating children. It's called raising decent, respectful human beings. The average child can tell you that people like Farage and Trump are bad men, unfortunately it's the wayward adults who have either lost or never had a moral compass in the first place who seem to need help with this.

The very last thing we should do as teachers is influence kids. Parents can teach morality and we can teach the law and critical thinking in the classroom. The last thing children need is to hear activist teachers indoctrinating them, my students are all too aware of the influence of malign adults. Thankfully I work at a school where we focus on teaching our subjects and healthy debate.

The only way is to lobby your local MPs to listen to the Reform voters main points of contention and act in parliament accordingly so they don’t feel forced into voting for Reform

Buying into Farage’s spin on the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) is poorly researched and illogical. He’s a proven charlatan.

Do you know how many times in the last five decades the ECHR has ruled against the UK regarding deportation or extradition? Just 13. So roughly once every 3 - 4 years

Britain and Winston Churchill were key architects of the ECHR following World War II. Plus the Good Friday agreement is deeply tied to it.

They can never tell you why though or give specific examples.

Which evidences indoctrination

@Firetreev
You can model but you shouldn’t impose.

And if your views are as good as you think they are, they should naturally choose them as well, so what are you afraid of?

‘Bad men’ - if they really say that (?) that’s because of ignorant adults telling them so.

Yes, that is a possibility re:a pact.

But it would be a strange thing to do if Badenoch is still in place- make an alliance with a party whose supporters (at least some of them) hate people like her.

Eta: I seem to remember Farage saying if he could win in Wales he could win a GE. Tough titties, Nige.

Scary isn't it.

@UnaGatitathats interesting because don’t you teach anything related to values and beliefs because we do even on higher education courses to nurses. I’m surprised that in school they don’t!

Values- to not discriminate. To respect diversity. To be compassionate. All the qualities Reform seem to not value!

Parents should do the teaching of right from wrong. Racism is wrong, your skin colour is irrelevant, having a job is good, work hard at school, have good manners etc

Their main issue is immigration. They’ve been told so called illegal immigration is an invasion, the reason why they don’t own their own house, can’t get a doctors appointment or get their kids in the school of their choice and they’ve fallen for it hook line and sinker. There is no solution that will work for them because illegal immigration is not the root cause.
So no I don’t believe pandering to the reasons people vote reform is the answer

People vote differently in a general election. I would never vote for Plaid Cymru in a general election because I see it s a waste of a vote.

Or they’ve experienced it for themselves and have voted accordingly

vote for who you believe in not tactically. Doesn’t work.

Agree.

I think Deform will win and there isn’t much that can be done to stop them, but to be completely honest, this is exactly what Britain deserves.

this gluttony for punishment does baffle me.

That’s exactly the point. There are lots and lots of reasons for their lives being intolerable and yes overall immigration may play a part. But the boat numbers are a very small part of the picture and reducing council tax will not help, nor will privatising the NHS and turning it into the US model for health care. Sure we need to do something in this area and I’ve seen some posts on other threads about European models which work pretty well but that’s not what Farage is talking about .

No they haven't just been told, they are experiencing this stuff directly while predominantly privileged people living in wealthy areas that are protected from these things disregard their experiences and tell them they're thick.

I can see why people who live near the hotels and HMOs housing asylum seekers are angry and have had their lives directly negatively impacted by hundreds of undocumented men landing on their doorsteps.