Another attempt to kill Trump

[Sweetiedarling7]

Can’t see another thread.

Armed intruder shot dead at Mar-a-Lago. I haven’t seen whether Trump was in residence at the time.

I wonder if anyone will succeed eventually?

Torn between thinking well it would be a good start and then thinking it would just make a martyr of him.

And yes, part of me is appalled that I should think that killing someone is ever justifiable.

Yes, I agree. Ideally I would prefer that America uses their justice system against him but it seems unlikely to happen.

Trump had a host of felony prosecutions for actual financial crimes open against him when he was reelected. Do you genuinely believe criminals shouldn't be prosecuted, or than anyone including politicians should be above the law?
I am not advocating show trials. I am advocating proper, legal trials.

As for the restorations of women's righths to bodily autonomy, the proper operation of national parks, museums and monuments and the restoration of historic buildings from vandalism perpetrated on them (not to mention all the bling and the disrespectful labels attached to images of previous incumbents) - why do you have a problem with that?

I don't want Trump eradicated, thanks. I want his memory to stand as a warning to history.

OK thanks for clarifying, so in summary you would want Trump dead in order to save the world.

To be fair there are a significant number of people that share your view, except they are probably a bit less honest than yourself in admitting it.

Oh no I totally agree that criminals should be prosecuted for criminal activity such as financial crimes and tax evasion and that this should of course include politicians.

A good example of this is the prosecution of political figures in Russia for financial crimes and tax evasion.

For example:
Mikhail Khodorkovsky, once Russia’s richest man, Khodorkovsky was arrested for fraud and tax evasion after funding opposition parties. His company, Yukos, was dismantled and nationalized. He was sentenced to nine years in prison, later pardoned in 2013.

Sergei Magnitsky, a tax auditor investigating a $235 million theft by Russian officials, was arrested on counter-charges of tax evasion. He died in prison in 2009.

Presumably you agree with their prosecution as well?

Gun violence is terrible.

But…..

Al Capone was prosecuted for tax evasion

What have to those whatabouts have to do with anything?

That depends whether there was evidence substantial enough to warrant it under a justice system that was transparent. Given that this was Russia, there are doubts - I mean, would you say the prosecution and imprisonment of Alex Navalny was entirely above board? But if (and this is the caveat - those Russian prosecutions were handled fairly and transparently - sure.

Meanwhile, Trump already has 34 felony convictions and a civil conviction for sexual assault - this is called 'form'.

Oh, your post that disappeared? That was me. MN doesn't like people calling other people Hitler and/or Stalin so maybe don't do that.

Absolutely this

Be grateful to live in a democracy

Whilst I can't be bothered to contest with MN the deletion of my post, just to clarify - at no point in the wording I used did I call you Hitler or Stalin.

What I did state was that both Hitler and Stalin would be pleased to know there are still people today that support the practises of suppressing opposing political views either through show trials or in the case of OP through assassination.

There is a difference and at no point did I insult or attack you personally.

We do but America is transitioning away from democracy in my opinion.

Let's look at the Russian legal cases, now your average Russian would believe that their legal system is fair and transparent yet the US system is corrupt.

Whilst there are many American citizens that also believe their legal system is unfair and corrupt.

It seems somewhat arrogant to assume that the US or UK legal systems are fairer and impartial to others in the world when their local population would disagree.

JD Vance, if he ever gets to power (or isn't just a caretaker who hands over to Trump) may find that he doesn't have the 'star power / cult magnetism'
of Trump himself. We can all hope anyway.

In the UK, a Reform councillor called for a Labour MP to be shot.

His party has not suspended him, instead calling his social media post a "mistake that we can all make from time to time.”

To be accurate he re shared a social media post that appeared to call for the MP to "be shot".

But either way this is completely unacceptable behaviour from an elected politician with dangerous consequences and he should either resign from or be removed from his political party and removed from his elected position.

Well, there are various metrics that can be used to measure fairness of legal systems etc.

Here is an example of one of many.

Rule of Law Index, 2024 (ourworldindata.org)

There is no arrogance at all in looking at such data and seeing what position nations are in.

He was democratically elected end of.

So why does Trump never stop claiming US elections are rigged and corrupt ?

Surely if the elections are rigged as he claims, and he won these rigged elections, then it was rigged in his favour. Therefore, by his own claims, logically he is not democratically elected.

So was Hitler.

But that metric is produced from a Western perspective. The average Russian or Chinese would disagree with this.

No, you were a little more subtle in your personal attack. But the comparison was there.

And I have never said I want Trump assassinated - in fact, I have said the exact opposite. I just want him to answer for the crimes he was being prosecuted for - through the legal system - when his cronies on the SC granted him immunity. Why do you want politicians to be immune from prosecution when they are alleged to have committed crimes? If any trial against Trump finds him not guilty - so be it, that's fine.

Why do you think putting Trump on trial would be a 'show trial'?

And you base that statement on ?

I have no idea about Russia, but I do have experience of the PRC. Guanxi is the term usually used re law stuff.

There are CGTN polls of course.

CGTN: People’s trust, the basis for rule of law in China – Globle Press release distribution (timesnewswire.com)

He said the election in 2020 was rigged. I assume he says it as a coping method. He never said all u.s elections are rigged.

True true. Do you really think he is as bad as Hitler?

Give him time

Well, apparently he did say “I need the kind of generals that Hitler had.”, according to John Kelly. So there is that I suppose.

Donald Trump: 'I need the kind of general Hitler had' | The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)