Good on Kemi!

[MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack]

I'm no fan of Kemi Badenoch, but I'm even less of a fan of Robert Jenrick, and I'm rather delighted to see that she has sacked him and withdrawn the whip before he could jump to Reform.

She has definitely had the last laugh here. He must be spitting bullets!!

The buck stops at the top. Kwarteng was acting under instruction.

As for minimising proroguing parliament @Pineneedlesincarpet, frankly I’m speechless. It makes your flagrant disregard for democracy as bad as Johnson’s.

I don't disagree. The point I was trying to make is that voters will vote Reform simply to put two fingers up at the establishment.

I really like Kemi. She performs really well in question time in House of Commons and regularly wipes the floor with Starmer. It’s just a shame she’s at the helm of a sinking ship. I think we’re seeing the demise of the Tory party currently, but I guess it will pass. I remember after Corbyn’s awful campaign against Boris Johnson, people were saying Labour would be in the wilderness for decades. But here we are. I think too that Labour are going the same way now as the Tories. Both parties are pretty poor currently leaving a large gap for a new party to take charge.

Unfortunately most people in the UK dont share your joy and optimism at this allegedly great booming economy. As shown by the polls. Most people have real life experience of Labour's policies in some way or another hence why we all hate them. Or most of us.

I feel sorry and scared for young people mostly.

And Reeves would have gone the same way after her ‘mistake’, but fortunately for her there was bigger news at the time which pushed her under the radar. They’re all as crooked as they come in the Labour Party. It’s true when they’re described as champagne socialists. Want to put their foot on the heads of the upper working classes and middle classes, but are quite happy to adopt the same lifestyle for themselves, by lies and fraud if they need to.

Therein lies the problem, Reform aren't a new party, more a re launch of several failed and failing ones.

Too early to say though if Labour will go the way of the Tories, will depend on the economy and the NHS plus we have 16/17yo's voting for the first time.

Reeves was cleared by the ethics advisor, the same ethics advisor who got rid of Rayner, so clearly not biased.

Proroguing parliament had absolutely no effect. It was a complete storm in a teacup. What difference did it make either way.

No need to get on your high horse about "democracy". You do support a government that are cancelling elections, banging people up for speech and abolishing jury service.

No councils are asking for this but i think those calling for pojntless elections on councils about to be abolished, should pay for the elections with higher council tax....

Almost all trials resulting in a jail sentence are not held under a jury system already...

Banging people up for online abuse? you do realise the Govt don't prosecute people... let alone sentence them...

But Labour have already proven that they lie and adopt criminal behaviour, so we know who they are. We don’t know that that’s going to be the case with Reform, as it’s all whataboutery. Maybe they will turn out to be liars, but until we see that if/when they’re in power, who knows? Unfortunately experience has shown us that most politicians are out for themselves, and will be corrupt if they think they can get away with it. The only way we’re going to find out if this is the case for a Reform government is to try them I guess.

Like Labour’s blatant disregard for democracy in cancelling many local elections in May? You can’t get more undemocratic than that.

They're hardly examples of a supporter of democracy.

Im simply saying that to be fussed about proroging parliament which had little practical effect and ignoring the profound effects of the far more anti democratic measures that Labour are carrying out is ridiculous. Thats to the PP by the way..the one I was discussing this with originally.

We actually know quite a lot about Reform. It's just that some people are choosing not to look.

Good that they are getting some different people in post then.

She has definitely improved but lets face it, who has ever arrived in a job on day 1 and didnt need some time to bed in. I think she is growing into the role and it might be a long shot, but id love to see her take the next election and be our PM. She might be less polished and make a few mistakes but I trust her and its been a long time since I felt that way about a politician.

You mean the failed and disgraced Tories?

Yes that is definitely one thing you can say about her. I think she is honest.

Fantastic for reform, not so good for the conservatives. I think a lot of posters are desperately deluded.

@Alexandra2001 The government is the lawmaker. I’d prefer them to have tougher laws on some things.

We mined from 4 District councils and a county council here. We had the elections for the districts prior to a unitary county being formed. They formed a shadow unitary council along with the existing county council but only lasted for 2 years. They oversaw all the transition arrangements prior to the unitary authority taking over. So no elections missed and these councillors, to be fair, worked hard to ensure a pretty seemless change. It’s a huge job gojng from 5 of every back serving to one never mind streamlining contracts, offices and blending staff. They should hold the elections but of course a load of Reform people will rock the boat.

Is Robert Jenrick "failed and disgraced"?

What about Danny Kruger?.

What about the new leader of Reform in Scotland? He has had an amazingly successful life.

We also knew quite a lot about Labour, but unfortunately we had very few options and voted them in thinking they might have changed. They haven’t.

Yes, this will be my approach in the next election as well. At the moment I have no idea who I will be voting for, as it’s difficult to tell just now who has the best chance of winning the seat and scuppering the Labour MP.

I don’t know about disgraced, but Jenrick seems most angry about the Tories’ immigration record.

He was the immigration minister.

Didn't he resign from that post because he disagreed with the Conservatives policy?

The economy isn’t booming but, to the disappointment of people like you, nor is it crashing and the IMF is unlikely to come knocking anytime soon as some posters were predicting not long ago. It will be interesting to see where we are at this point in 2029.

"to the disappointment of people like you"

What's that supposed to mean?