Venezuela

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I'm not surprised by the Americans, but I really hope our politicians are paying attention because next will be Greenland.

France, Germany, Denmark and UK should be sending a large military presence to Greenland and ordering the closure of US Bases.

If we don't Trumps next move will be a walk in the park.

This! Trump is in clear breach of international law and he’s barely hiding the fact that it’s about the oil. Disturbingly Farage says “it might be a good thing”…

Farage wouldn't know a good thing if it slapped him across the face.

Agreed! Manduro is a terrible guy but this is about Trump enriching himself from their oil and distraction from the Epstein files and nothing more. I think we are seeing the USA confirming the Russian "multipolar world", in which Europe belongs to Russia whilst Latin America and Greenland to the USA. Farage of course would capitulate to both.

I think we should double our support for Ukraine and prepare for war. Fuck Trump and Fuck Putin.

I actually think this will streamline things a bit, china and russia are both pursuing projects in various african countries and south American. I think china was the main recipient of Venezuela oil. Pushing them out of one arena is a good thing. From a geopolitical standpoint it doesn’t matter much about the reasons why, it’s just a good thing when iran, russia and china are on the back foot.

If anyones next it’s likely to be Columbia or cuba. I think they are probably trying to get control over their own backyard with positive knock on effects or disruption to hezbollahs drug trade, disruptions to chinese oil supply and russian influence in south america.

Where is this mystical past where countries do stuff for some vague notion of good rather than aggressive self interest?

As someone with family in Venezuela, I absolutely condemn your high-handed attitude that the US seizing control of an independent country will 'streamline' things.

Fuck your "From a geopolitical standpoint it doesn’t matter much about the reasons why". What this has done is heap more hardship on the beleaguered ordinary citizens. The US will rape their country and make it pay for the privilege.

I've spoken about this numerous times on here we must prepare for a different world. We have been duped and America is no longer an ally. I honestly believe that our political system is under siege and we are in grave danger.

We must shore up Greenland and double our efforts in the Ukraine. If Ukraine falls then Europe will once again be torn apart by war. Poland says it and so does Germany. This is our last and only chance to help the Ukraine.

I'm not sure how South America views this but one thing for sure it gives the green light to China, Russia and even Argentina. Remember Argentina and Trump are now allies.....the yanks today publicly said the British are no longer allies....not my words theres.

I hope I'm wrong I honestly do.

Stephen Millers wife just posted this.

There is widespread condemnation across Latin America, with the exception of Argentina, of the US strike against Venezuela and the capture of Maduro.
It is a violation of a country's sovereignty, breaks international law and will destablize the region. Countries with a common border are already braced for refugees.

In the Caribbean, Trinidad and Tobago's Prime Minister is fiercely back pedalling her support for Trump and insisting that the country was not involved in the latest US action, never mind that she allowed US radar stations to be set up in Tobago. It's all a bit late, as other Caribbean nations had made it clear that they were against US troops and ships in the area killing fishermen and alleged 'drug runners'.

OMG!

That has genuinely shocked me.

It’s all in plain sight isn’t it? Trump and his cronies really do believe they can do whatever the fuck they want and no one will stop them.

The trouble is, they’re probably right.

No one is strong enough and there seems to be a general apathy. Trump does whatever he wants and everyone just tuts and shrugs.

All too late it’s become obvious that the world trusted the US too much. So much of our defence and strategy relies on the US and now there’s a corrupt President we’re all slightly fucked as no one has the power or means to challenge him.

This bombing and invasion is absolutely shameful. A disgusting breach of international law. How dare the US bomb a country and kidnap the president so they can take over the oil and enrich themselves.

Trump is demonstrating that international law means nothing any more and any leader with power can invade anywhere they like the look of now. It’s terrifying.

shuddacuddadidnt I hope that your family is doing OK.
Venezuela’s people have been through so much for so long. This is awful.

I have no desire for world war 3, but history should teach us appeasement will only delay the inevitable. Sadly we do need to prepare to defend our allies and should, in my view, be talking openly about rejoining the EU to ensure the safety of our continent. The US is no longer and ally. What will we do if they attack NATO countries? I hope this never happens. But we need to consider this a real possibility.

Couldn’t agree more about rejoining EU.

When Trump said the Venezuelans will be rich, I raised my eyebrows for sure.

I think what so many people are missing is it's not just the oil that matters, it's the type of oil. Heavy crude. The type of crude the US Gulf Coast refineries need, and that the US does not produce.

Trump coming out with his near socialist cry of "everyone will be rich", when what he actually means in there will be another level of cronyism on top of the cronies he appears to be leaving in place in VZ. They will be getting richer, Not the people.

And now it appears the VZ VP Rodriguez is going back on her word ? If that was the deal of course. It appears it's still going to be the same people running the place, with the same army and security forces. Except now they will also be protecting the Chevron workers, and be getting better paid for it.

And I fear Rodriguez will purge now. To consolidate her power, and to make sure she will not fall as Maduro did. She will be paranoid on steroids.

And give it a few days, and Trump will be ordering the 3/4 of a million or so Venezuelan folk in the US to "go home".

Don't get me wrong, it's good the Maduro is out. But it's what replaces him that worries me.

You have to remember that Musk's grandfather was part of a coalition pre WWII that wanted to control everywhere from Panama to Greenland. They thought if they had that, they had all they needed. Oh and no democracy and no names, people would be given codes instead of names.

I reckon this is part of a grander scheme. Someone will have to get their hands dirty to stop them.

It was good Saddam Hussein fell but look what replaced him. See also Libya and Syria. I doubt very much that ordinary Venezuelans will still be celebrating in a year.

I wonder how much ordinary Americans are looking forward to the idea of another 'forever' foreign war.

It is up to Venezuela to run its own country’s assets like oil as it sees fit. That they chose - like many other countries - to nationalise their oil is their choice. Same as Norway etc. The US has no right to another country’s assets. As for kidnapping their president, no words. Agree re Greenland. It’s all in plain sight which is frightening.

That's next and Denmark needs to act now, they need to call on its allies and shore up defence. Starmer needs a reality check and accept the reality. Trump is interfering with British politics and he should be acting on it.

The problem with us Europeans is that we are working on the assumption of countries working within international law and democracy. Firstly Trump doesn't respect laws and secondly the assumption should be this is the end of democracy for America.....there won't be fair elections from now on.

We should not be scared to upset America, we need to be bold and accept unless we act now what comes next will be a lot worse.

Can anyone help me understand this: If US invades and admits to controlling a country, does that not make the citizens US citizens? I understand none of them will want to be American, but for immigration purposes this must be a legal minefield?

Sadly I doubt this is possible as the cost of rejoining would bankrupt us.

Trump doesn't do legal unless it involves sueing someone.....so the people will be in limbo until the oil companies are drilling.

The EU would want its pound of flesh… but now is the time when the threat is high and unity is an asset. At the very least we should be entering into many agreements that amount to the same thing.

That's a very interesting point which I doubt Trump has thought about. Has Venezuela has become the de facto 51st state?

I guess I can't imagine being a core MAGA supporter and welcoming new US compatriots from Venezuela, considering how hostile they've been groomed to be USA first.