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[dwordle]

I'm not surprised by the Americans, but I really hope our politicians are paying attention because next will be Greenland.

France, Germany, Denmark and UK should be sending a large military presence to Greenland and ordering the closure of US Bases.

If we don't Trumps next move will be a walk in the park.

Trump's message was repeated on airforce one. "WE NEED GREENLAND!!"
He's now threatening Dalcy and Colombia's president, and put Mexico on alert.
Watching the news is so disheartening. I hear all the arguments as to why politicians can't openly condemn the seizure of VZ, but fear that we are seeing appeasement in our time.

As an aside, does anyone know why the thread "Hurray for Venezuela!!" was deleted by MN and the OP investigated? I was about to post on it and puff, it was gone!

Our top priority should be building up our navy.

Joining the EU is neither here nor there. When “shit gets real” we will be an attractive ally if we are strong and of no use to anyone if we are a weak burden.

Probably because it came from Russia or China.

We should do both.

We already have essentially had to receive political refuges from HK due to China’s horrendous behaviour in HK. This is a place we were hugely invested in culturally and financially… yet we ‘let” them take over with a totally totalitarian approach. HK refugees are being hacked, attacked and even kidnapped in London yet we rarely hear anything about it. Appeasement to the super powers has been going on for a long while…

Europe on paper has the strength to easily take on any power, the problem is it's lack of collective will to do so. The EU doesn't have a president like America with far reaching powers and rightly so. One person with that much power is dangerous.

But us Europeans must sometimes be decisive collectively as being constantly passive makes us extremely vulnerable.

Our reliance on Russian gas and oil, our reliance on China and America for tech etc. Our reliance on the US for security. You don't put all your eggs in one basket.

It really is time to look at America very differently, Canada is doing just that...we should to

Im guessing a bot/"sponsored" poster?

ETA I should add, I didn't see it though

I think strategically the EU may not want the UK to rejoin. If Trump is serious about Greenland that makes him hostile towards an EU state, namely Denmark. For some reason Trump listens to the UK. It may make him feel any advice is more neutral than if we were in. Admittedly whilst I voted remain I don’t see the EU as the panacea that others do.

I think it was a Trump troll. It had similarities to Trump troll posts across the internet this weekend.

I think Europe collectively should be looking at the soft power retaliation they can enact immediately such as boycotting the World Cup. It would be reduced to a High School tournament without the big European teams. Trump loves being on the World stage red carpet. We shouldn't be sending the King and Wills over for a nauseating love in.
We've dropped the ball on defence having relied on a relatively sane US for too long. Now would be the time to invest in defence and fulfill the growth agenda as an aside.
Starmer's fence sitting won't cut it this time.

OP you've said (and repeated) on numerous occasions the demand for a European military presence in Greenland. I'm not saying I like what America is doing there and would want to stand up to that in some way, but do you really think a direct military confrontation between various European countries and the USA over Greenland is really a good idea?

Europe cannot stand up to the USA right now. No chance.

Germany is rebuilding their army. We should rebuild our navy.

I’m no monarchist by any stretch of the imagination but Charles and William have the ear of Trump and all reasonably minded nations want to make use of that. To describe it as a ‘nauseating love-in’ is unfair and inaccurate.

@dwordle I agree with this post. Tbf the EU has responded to NATO comments from US with 600bn euro bump. They know it’s not been a priority for a while.

It was in praise of Trump!

Why does Trump want Cuba? Do they have crude oil too?

It’s always annoyed the Americans that Cuba turned their backs on them. They’ve tried to starve them for decades and want to take it back to return to the days when it was America’s playground.

On paper we have more firepower, the problem is its fragmented with no coordinated logistics. We do need to be prepared for a conflict with the united states within two months, sorry but I base this on the reality of what is about to happen. The yanks are going to annex Greenland, probably before the spring. I know this because the Americans will take advantage of the poor weather conditions. We will be uable to remove an invasive force in winter, sea ice etc That means we need to be prepared for that scenario. First job is to send three strike fleets to Greenland, bolster air support and long range bombers on standby in Greenland, we need a force of 40,000 conflict fit troops on the ground.

In order for this to happen Denmark , Germany, France and GB need to agree a plan and put in place the logistics for a conflict in the Atlantic. Once we have this in place we alliance of 4 should reach out to Canada for support.

We also should be thinking of shoring up the Falklands because I expect that what ever the Americans do they will attempt to dilute

The Americans know very well that any conflict with an alliance would result in heavy casualities and would likely deter any military action. Yes it will cause a diplomatic row but thats a lot better than trying to remove an American annexed Greenland.

I served in the Royal Navy myself and I've worked in the middle east for over a decade. You learn to plan and not be dictated to by circumstance, If the yanks know weve jumped the gun they will be upset but they don't have the support for a miliary operation against the most powerful countries in western europe.

Just curious…we would we save Greenland from the US, when we won’t save Ukraine from Russia?

I've said this before we should have sent in troops before Russia invaded, once again an example of Europes passive role....we should have been there and then Putin would never have crossed that border.

Its the same here....the Americans could take greenland tomorrow - but with 40,000 troops there with good logistics they wouldn't even consider it.

Sometimes you have to play a high risk chess game making sure you have all your pieces in place.

Now Putin is in its a lot more difficult to recover the land thats been lost, best solution would be to shore up the Ukranian front line and then monitor for the next decade....

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I agree we probably should have sent some troops to Ukraine....although starting WW3 with the USA over Greenland seems like madness to me.

That's the thing making a first move is a way to prevent world war three. The implications of the USA annexing Greenland are so serious that world war three is almost certainly the consequence. So you have a choice.... upset Trump and make it virtually impossible for him to invade Greenland......or wait for him to do it.... destroy NATO and then watch the entire continent go to war with Russia.... because without NATO we will have no choice but go to war. There is also a serious risk of a hot conflict with America.

Suddenly people like myself are being taken out of reserves to fight a war that will shape the next 100 years. Those of school leaving age will be drafted and trained and sent to the front line. Cities will be under constant threat.

I think British people are now so used to seeing wars being played out abroad on the Tele that they can't connect it with their lives here. Remember that less than 90 years ago we were at war.... every family had a story.

Greenland is in NATO. Ukraine isn’t.