What can an individual do to keep Reform out?

[Thepoliticsofchaos]

I have a young friend (a university student) who is getting depressed about the prospect of Reform getting in next election. He thinks that the UK is fucked, basically. He's left-leaning, I assume a Labour voter. I've advised him to get politically engaged (so that in the future he'll at least be able to feel that he did what he could). He's not the most outgoing of people, though is interested in politics. Can anyone suggest how he could become usefully politically engaged to try to reduce the Reform vote? Not just joining a party and turning up to meetings, but actually doing something?

Ms Reynolds does.

Nice essay. Hope you enjoyed writing it.

Spot on. The trouble is their tactics are very transparent and don't actually fool many normal reasonable people. Bizarre behaviour though.

Thank you and I hope you enjoyed reflecting on it, even if just for a moment.

Excellent post 🎯
Even the victims of grooming gangs aren't safe from it.

I thought it was hyperbolic bollocks. You knew that.

I disagree. I think a lot of people will think it was very accurate. You won't of course. You will argue against it by using sophisticated words such as "bollocks". Entirely to be expected.

That’s not the subject being discussed.

1daya

you, like leav have spectacularly missed the point I made, which where to state NF was manipulating and why this was apparent by his performance at the political press conference

the fact only him and Kenilworth have used vulnerable victims in front of the press
the fact when questioned on Andrew he gave a negative answer

kemi - not Kenilworth

Reform won’t get in. The French have been worrying that the FN will get into power for decades and it hasn’t happened. Voters will realise their local Reform mp is a thug with a prior dv conviction. People will vote tactically. If necessary parties will coordinate on tactical voting or withdraw candidates.

Who do you think will win?

So you are denying that the grooming victims chose to be on stage with Badinoch or Farage out of their own free will. Instead you insist that they were somehow "manipulated"
to attend.

Out of interest let's assume that these grooming victims did indeed choose to attend completely out of their own free.

How would that sit with you?

You can't bash them as racists or far right neo Nazis because that would conflict with your core belief of "siding with the oppressed ". Plus you recognise that calling sexual abuse victims such slurs is not a good look.

Equally you can't support their decision because well they are siding with the "oppressors" namely Farage or Badinoch.

What would you do?

Whether or not they chose to be there doesn’t alter the fact that they’re cynically being used as political capital.

It is actually.

Exactly

there is your answer @1dayatatime

again you miss the point

“Right love” Farage and the majority of the far right don’t give a toss for women or rape gangs. They only want to focus on Pakistani grooming gangs, sidelining all others ( the majority of cases) to fit an anti-immigration narrative. I’ve shared this before here but I think it’s illustrative of the way many on the far right behave. This grooming victim is screamed at, sworn at and manhandled when her experience doesn’t fit the immigrant agenda.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17Jcb41LPu/

So let's get this right, regardless of whether they choose to be there or not then you believe that they are being used politically.

You could extend this argument to any non politician appearing alongside any politician on any political topic.

The reality is that both the non politician and politician are using each other to advance their own objectives or towards a common goal and this has always been the case.

Why do you think that the grooming victims chose to stand alongside Farage - just to be on telly? No they chose to stand alongside Farage because they believe that the current enquiry is not addressing their concerns or is in some way biased. By standing alongside Farage they get publicity and someone that will put political rhetoric behind those concerns.

Both the grooming victims and Reform have a common goal or if you prefer are using each other.

This is how politics has always been and is really not difficult to understand.

The survivors of the grooming gangs is being used for political gain by Farage, thus the question by the journalist concerning Andrew. This is a loaded question as it shows the difference, there is no political gain for him to want Andrew investigated.

last week Farage went on strike and sat in the spectators gallery, disrespecting the speaker. All because he couldn’t have his own way. This week he wants to go to the speaker with his great idea of all political parties using parliament to come together. The coming together for something that is already in motion

Thus completely devaluing anything a survivor might say due to some people's inability to distinguish between a survivor and Nigel Farage.

Would you say the same if she was sitting next to Kemi B out of genuine interest?

The way I see it is that Ms Reynolds is after as much publicity of why she took the decision she did. And she's got it in spades. As she said was her intention. Good on her.

And she probably doesn't need to persuade the extreme left anyway.as they.wont be able to get over the racial element to these crimes. So it doesn't matter if her message got through to them. But there are an awful lot of normal people which it will have got through to. Good on her.

Prince Andrew affects a microscopic amount of girls compared to the national rape gangs. There's only so much Nigel Farage can do to save the UK. Give him a chance...he can't do everything the country needs at once!

It’s not difficult to distinguish the two and the poster has clearly done that multiple times. I’m not sure why you can’t seem to grasp that.

Oh I loved the "right love". He is so funny at teasing the pompous press. Mishal Husan (son went to Eton) takes herself so seriously and wouldn't let him speak. Good on him.