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What can an individual do to keep Reform out?

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Thepoliticsofchaos · 09/10/2025 22:45

I have a young friend (a university student) who is getting depressed about the prospect of Reform getting in next election. He thinks that the UK is fucked, basically. He's left-leaning, I assume a Labour voter. I've advised him to get politically engaged (so that in the future he'll at least be able to feel that he did what he could). He's not the most outgoing of people, though is interested in politics. Can anyone suggest how he could become usefully politically engaged to try to reduce the Reform vote? Not just joining a party and turning up to meetings, but actually doing something?

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twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 09:04

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 09:01

But they don't do they?
Plenty of millionaires use state schools/NHS. They all use council services etc.

and if those services are cut, who will it affect most? the person who is earning £500k or the person earning £37k who NF is supposed to represent

They are still working people, they just aren't the sort of working people that Labour like.

Jugjug · 15/10/2025 09:15

Can’t think of anything he can do except vote for another party. Maybe donate a huge sum of money to another party in the unlikely event that’s possible?

if I’m honest bitching and whinging about it is counter intuitive as reform voters will just laugh at him and so will a lot of people who were sitting on the fence

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 09:19

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 09:04

They are still working people, they just aren't the sort of working people that Labour like.

Im not getting the point across

If reform can't make savings, as everything in public services is cut to the bone already (mostly due to central government not giving enough money to local government) and this is what reform have sold that public services are wasting money, Then reform will have to make cuts to public services.

If reform were to make cuts to public services the people with money will moan and groan, but will pay for the same services privately - so they'd pay for rubbish collection in-between council collections, or they would go to a private leisure center to teach their children to swim if the local pool shuts - these are examples

reform say that they are for the working people - but if they cut services then those earning less suffer more

Leavesfalling · 15/10/2025 12:18

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 09:19

Im not getting the point across

If reform can't make savings, as everything in public services is cut to the bone already (mostly due to central government not giving enough money to local government) and this is what reform have sold that public services are wasting money, Then reform will have to make cuts to public services.

If reform were to make cuts to public services the people with money will moan and groan, but will pay for the same services privately - so they'd pay for rubbish collection in-between council collections, or they would go to a private leisure center to teach their children to swim if the local pool shuts - these are examples

reform say that they are for the working people - but if they cut services then those earning less suffer more

The cuts to public services that Reform suggest seem entirely reasonable. DEI, Net Zero, HS2, foreign aid and train driver pay.

Unfortunately the one thing that no one can cut is the vast public sector pension liability as that's contractual. And thats what will bankrupt us. They can cut the state pension tbough or raise the age you get it. Well, all parties will have to do that anyway.

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 12:36

The cuts to public services that Reform suggest seem entirely reasonable. DEI, Net Zero, HS2, foreign aid and train driver pay.

thats until employment tribunals cost the councils more than the DEI department, thats a false economy. Net zero is also about sustainable energy which long term will be cheaper than oil. HS2 will ultimately take freight off the roads, which has long term economic costs if the freight is still on the road instead. I'm against HS2 but the reality if we don't have a trainline of this nature is gridlock on motorways.

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 12:39

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 12:36

The cuts to public services that Reform suggest seem entirely reasonable. DEI, Net Zero, HS2, foreign aid and train driver pay.

thats until employment tribunals cost the councils more than the DEI department, thats a false economy. Net zero is also about sustainable energy which long term will be cheaper than oil. HS2 will ultimately take freight off the roads, which has long term economic costs if the freight is still on the road instead. I'm against HS2 but the reality if we don't have a trainline of this nature is gridlock on motorways.

Met zero like selling off some of the most productive farmland in Lincs for a solar panel farm?
Or the billions of gallons of water needed to service the huge data centres being built?

Problem is none of it is joined up ie on 1 hand concrete is being poured onto greenbelt to build houses which stops water being absorbed when it rains and then at same time concreting over farmland for solar farms all whilst Miliband carps on about net zero. It's all a fucking game to them.

Leavesfalling · 15/10/2025 12:40

We don't need DEI inserted into any process. Massive waste of money. We just need the law to be clear. And AI will replace tribunals anyway.

No Net zero will bankrupt us, destroy any hope of running a business here and put us in hock to China (as is now happening). We just offshore our energy production.

HS2 will just increase the brain drain to London. It's stopped going anywhere useful anyway. Pointless.

Leavesfalling · 15/10/2025 12:42

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 12:39

Met zero like selling off some of the most productive farmland in Lincs for a solar panel farm?
Or the billions of gallons of water needed to service the huge data centres being built?

Problem is none of it is joined up ie on 1 hand concrete is being poured onto greenbelt to build houses which stops water being absorbed when it rains and then at same time concreting over farmland for solar farms all whilst Miliband carps on about net zero. It's all a fucking game to them.

And Keir is so.weak that when he tried to move Milliband, he just said no I'm not moving anywhere. So his zealotry continues, wrecking the future of our kids.

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 12:44

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 12:39

Met zero like selling off some of the most productive farmland in Lincs for a solar panel farm?
Or the billions of gallons of water needed to service the huge data centres being built?

Problem is none of it is joined up ie on 1 hand concrete is being poured onto greenbelt to build houses which stops water being absorbed when it rains and then at same time concreting over farmland for solar farms all whilst Miliband carps on about net zero. It's all a fucking game to them.

Would you rather pay 3p a unit for electric or 5p a unit for electric?

Would it be a good idea to use supermarket car parks for solar panels or farmers fields? Or should we ban solar? Be good if you could explain your answers?

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 12:46

And AI will replace tribunals anyway.
that doesn't cover the cost of losing and having to pay compensation

Leavesfalling · 15/10/2025 12:48

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 12:46

And AI will replace tribunals anyway.
that doesn't cover the cost of losing and having to pay compensation

Assuming you lose. We don't need vast expensive quangos telling the state sector how to comply with the law. They just need to comply with the law. And if the HR departments are unable to they can be replaced with AI too.

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 12:50

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 12:44

Would you rather pay 3p a unit for electric or 5p a unit for electric?

Would it be a good idea to use supermarket car parks for solar panels or farmers fields? Or should we ban solar? Be good if you could explain your answers?

Solar farms should only be on existing brownfield sites/car parks. It's what happens in more enlightened countries.

If you are an island you do not sell off productive farmland to be concreted over unless you are an imbecile. Labour have overseen largest selling of farms since 2017. It threatens our food security at a time when we need it most. Once farmland is gone, it's gone.

We are increasingly having extended periods of drought so yeh let's just build more data centers which consume huge quantities of water. That's environmentally friendly.

Building yet more houses on greenbelt = increases flooding, reduces biodiversity of our environment and means local amenities are stretched to breaking point.

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 12:52

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 12:46

And AI will replace tribunals anyway.
that doesn't cover the cost of losing and having to pay compensation

It will be AI running the tribunal AND appeal. AI won't set itself up to lose. AI will create the policies etc.

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 12:56

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 12:52

It will be AI running the tribunal AND appeal. AI won't set itself up to lose. AI will create the policies etc.

yes and human rights will be taken out of the equation if Reform get into power - so no need for AI or tribunals

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 13:00

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 12:56

yes and human rights will be taken out of the equation if Reform get into power - so no need for AI or tribunals

Which party isn't now talking about reviewing the ECHR/HRA? Tories and Labour both are.

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 13:01

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 12:50

Solar farms should only be on existing brownfield sites/car parks. It's what happens in more enlightened countries.

If you are an island you do not sell off productive farmland to be concreted over unless you are an imbecile. Labour have overseen largest selling of farms since 2017. It threatens our food security at a time when we need it most. Once farmland is gone, it's gone.

We are increasingly having extended periods of drought so yeh let's just build more data centers which consume huge quantities of water. That's environmentally friendly.

Building yet more houses on greenbelt = increases flooding, reduces biodiversity of our environment and means local amenities are stretched to breaking point.

so how would you get more homes built, there is undeniably a housing shortage in the uk - the large companies - Taylor Wimpey and Blood for example ride rough shot over local planners and aren't going to decrease their profit by using far smaller brown field sites. Are Taylor wimpy the imbeciles or local planners who can't stop these companies? Would you stop developers from having a right to appeal? and what or where will you house people?

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 13:04

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 13:00

Which party isn't now talking about reviewing the ECHR/HRA? Tories and Labour both are.

Green and Lib Dem

Leavesfalling · 15/10/2025 13:06

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 12:52

It will be AI running the tribunal AND appeal. AI won't set itself up to lose. AI will create the policies etc.

That's what's coming. As a lawyer myself I certainly don't encourage any young person to go into law. Particularly into litigation. AI will decimate those jobs. Which will make litigation much cheaper I suppose. So no need for DEI departments.

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 13:09

MikeRafone · 15/10/2025 13:01

so how would you get more homes built, there is undeniably a housing shortage in the uk - the large companies - Taylor Wimpey and Blood for example ride rough shot over local planners and aren't going to decrease their profit by using far smaller brown field sites. Are Taylor wimpy the imbeciles or local planners who can't stop these companies? Would you stop developers from having a right to appeal? and what or where will you house people?

See we have a declining population of native UK residents, so why do we need so many new houses? If there are fewer of us why do we need more housing?

Anyway, start with re-purposing abandoned houses. Brownfield sites should always be #1 choice for building housing. The government could pass laws for this, it chooses not to. Build flats rather than houses.

Say we continue to build on greenbelt. What happens when there's no greenbelt left to build on? What happens then? When all our woodland and farmland has gone? Where do you build then?

However any increase in population size is coming from immigration ie mid-2024 net migration was 690,000. We are an island, we don't have an infinite supply of land.

BIossomtoes · 15/10/2025 13:59

91% of land in the UK is undeveloped. We can well afford to lose a bit of it for housing.

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 14:03

BIossomtoes · 15/10/2025 13:59

91% of land in the UK is undeveloped. We can well afford to lose a bit of it for housing.

Except over 60% is agricultural land and 20% can't be built on due to flood plain/risk of flooding.
But screw forests, farms and having an environmental eco system. Let's just concrete everything over.

BIossomtoes · 15/10/2025 14:05

It would take centuries to concrete over 91% of the land in the UK. I don’t think we need to worry just yet.

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 14:07

BIossomtoes · 15/10/2025 14:05

It would take centuries to concrete over 91% of the land in the UK. I don’t think we need to worry just yet.

We do when Labour are forcing though farmland being covered in solar panels snd overseeing the largest sale of farmland since 2017. We need to be very worried!
Although Blackrock will be happy I'm sure.

BIossomtoes · 15/10/2025 15:01

twistyizzy · 15/10/2025 14:07

We do when Labour are forcing though farmland being covered in solar panels snd overseeing the largest sale of farmland since 2017. We need to be very worried!
Although Blackrock will be happy I'm sure.

If it was the largest sale of farmland since 1817 I’d be concerned. I don’t suppose you have a breakdown of the reason for all those (alleged) sales?