Sigh - Corbyn and Sultana's party

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I know that Labour treated Jeremy APPALLINGLY but the focus should be on fighting off the far right

Jeremy can help Labour do that

No idea what the point of this new party is 😒😒, as much as i love JC

I dunno if id go that far, I mean the media were particularly horrible

I just think he isnt great at the politics side of politics

And he hasn't learned anything 😒

I gave it at least a year 😂😪

He gave them so much to work with though.

People say he's a great constituency MP, perhaps he should stick to that.

Yes I believe his constituents do like him as he is very visible & will chat with anyone about their local issues.

That is his strength not the bigger roles.

But Labour have chosen to leave the left, and initiated the process of disunity by expelling most of the left in their own party (including Corbyn).

I think she’s a loose cannon and shouldn’t be in politics at all. She jumped JC into starting a party, then started this public shit show, torpedoing their reputation before they even started. The woman’s a disgrace and frankly I’m disgusted.

Labour aren't a 'Left' party though. They are a centre Left party, and that is what they always have been in government. The Left choose to join Labour and pull them further and further to the Left and they always have to be shut down in order for the party to win. There have been calls for Corbyn to be expelled for the past 30 years on and off because of his chronic lack of support for Labour in government going off on his own bat promising things to the IRA and Hezbollah etc. Blair refused to expel him. At least he's doing what he should have been doing all along. Stood on an independent ticket rather than on a Labour one. They are the ERG of the Labour Party!

Today Zarah has written for the government to create a furlough style scheme for the suppliers of JLR. 100,000 people affected. Clearly TATA can sort out JLR but this cyber attack could have a huge knock on effect it already is - however is a furlough style scheme the answer?

I would say Labour under Blair was centre left. Currently it's not even that, it's centre-right.

But regardless of labels, if you don't see the socialist, corbynite or Your Party left as belonging as a valid part of the Labour party, contributing to the party's voice and policies, then surely you can't accuse it of "splitting" the vote and being responsible when the Labour party doesn't get elected. Because it's not a single, even potentially unified vote bloc to be split, according to you.

That would just be saying "there's this certain area from say 20% left to just right of the middle that belongs to the Labour party, and votes together to try and form a Labour government. Those on the right of it are represented by the Tories and Reform, and those on the left of it have no right to representation whatsoever!

That's not supposed to be how democracy works. Labour, like any other party, can make its decisions about how broad a church it will be - who it accomodates into its political compromise, and who it considers beyond the pale and exludes from it. Once it's decided a certain set of people are excluded (as you seem to believe the left should be) then it/you can't complain about them seeking representation by other means. Particularly when they were perfectly happy to rub along with others and its the others who decided against it.

I see your point and it is a feature of our electoral system that we have to have 'broad church' parties, but Labour seems to have such a ' broad church that the factions actively despise each other. That is too broad a church. The Tory party was a ' broad church of centre to I would say free marketeers but when push came to shove they pulled together because they all wanred a Tory government. Until they emulated Labour with with infighting then end upnthrown into opposition as they did with Brexit. There are also tons of parties on the Left- The Socialist Party, the Workers Party, the Green Party for starters. The difference is that they are not as electorally successful.
The Left are not happy to rub along with the rest of the party. The backbenchers are fairly close to tanking the government. JC wasn't happy to rub along with the Blair government. He voted against them over 400 times. That's what I mean about him being in a more honest position now. He was elected on a Labour manifesto that he wasn't prepared to support, so he was disingenuous. As an independent he can go his own way.

I agree that she is a loose cannon but electorally she does represent those on the far left who wish to tear down the current "system " - defund the police, destroy capitalism basically create disorder and chaos from which a far left wing State can emerge controlling all aspects of the country and its citizens.

I don’t think that’s entirely accurate, particularly not defunding the police @1dayatatime

You should have a chance to vote for the further left and I hope they get it together.

Not sure if it’s terminal but I’d prefer people feel they have a party to vote for.

@EasternStandard why are they different from the current Green Party though? To me they seem almost identical.

The Green party is not explicitly socialist. While it's true that it tends to attract mostly left wing people, it also gets some more centrist or even tory voters who are just concerned about the environment as the most important issue. My understanding is that that was why the other candidates for leadership were reluctant to take as explicitly left wing a line as Polanski was - because they'd alienate some of the constituents who voted for them.

I agree that most of the rest (green economy, Gaza etc.) is overlap, which is why there are noises already about an electoral pact between them.

Or creating disorder and chaos, or controlling all aspects of the country and its citizens (any more than any government does generally).

So not accurate at all. The part about destroying capitalism might be, depending on how you define capitalism.

The market is like electricity - a good servant but a poor master. Most of the centrist or right wing parties have either forgotten this or don't believe it.

Anyone that does believe it tends to be written off as an anarchist or far left loon. Tories like Heath or MacMillan would be expelled from today's Labour Party.

Yes there is overlap and there may be a pact. It looks like Corbyn and co are continuing?

I don’t think they’re down and out yet are they?

(not that you’re saying that but re this thread.)

Oh no it's definitely gonna happen. The starting cock up is a shame and will have been damaging, but I suspect in a year everyone will have forgotten about it.

Yes you’re likely right on that.

Well yes, they'll have forgotten about this bust up because there will have been so many since. These are all fundamentally people who have shown again and again that they can't work well with others and who have very little tying them together.

Corbyn and co practice student politics, but as they’ll never get in, they’re irrelevant.

zarah actively lied and said the email sent by Jeremy was from a ‘bad faith right wing actor’!

Such a funny take on her - such scare mongering 🙄