Two questions about yesterday's march

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I'm sure that someone can help me on this, but why does [whoever gives permission for marches in london] allow 2 conflicting marches on the same day? It seems that keeping the marches appart was the biggest problem.
From the news, it looks as though Elon Musk was broadcast from the screen on the BFI. Why did they give permission for it, as it was basically an incitement to overthrow the government)?

The BFI should not be partizan. Should be open to all.

I live in London. I live close to part of the march route & saw 1000s of people on their way to attend it but didn’t actively join it myself. “Fucking terrifying display of barely contained violent racism” it was no such thing! Honestly the absolute lies people will tell to support their own political view point beggars belief.

@Poppingbyyou are talking absolute nonsense.
i don’t agree with the March but spreading bullshit because you disagree with a different opinion doesn’t help

Whatever words you use to describe the March yesterday "nice" shouldn't be one of them

I was in town yesterday and I was scared. That is not bullshit.

Proud to disagree with racists and fascists. Listen to the speeches. They are racist. These are not opinions I think should be given air, no. This is not a movement that should be allowed to propagate.

The demonstrators were behaving thuggishly everywhere and not allowing Londoners and tourists to go about their day peacefully. They were pissed, intimidating, and shouting abuse at passers-by. If you didn't see that, lucky fucking you.

@Poppingbyall 110k of them?
of course they was🙄

Does it need to be all of them? You're happy to align yourself with that behaviour then?

No im not… but I’m not against freedom of speech.
i don’t agree with the March.
i don’t agree with the pro Palestine marches either.
i also don’t dramatically scaremonger because a small group of over 100k people were pissed 🙄

I would imagine the advertising wall that encircles the imax is controlled by a third party and not the BFI.

It's not scaremongering to say you were scared 🤔. I live in London too - not near the route because I can't afford it - and I have never before felt scared of a demonstration because so many people were pissed and abusive. Deny it all you want but as you weren't there you don't know do you.

But how do you know I wasn’t there?
so many pissed abusive people but yet less arrests than the Notting Hill carnival.
what about people being scared when pro Palestine marches are allowed or do they not matter??
freedom of speech is allowed, not agreeing with it is allowed. Being scared is allowed.
scaremongering is just ridiculous

Were you there?

These people are ultimately about overthrowing our government for fascist aims, as Elon musk very clearly said in his 'rallying' speech yesterday, displayed on the ?BFI screens. If you don't find that scary then you're not paying attention or you don't find fascist uprising a frightening prospect.

Clearly if you were there, you were choosing to ignore the thuggish behaviour that was intimidating ordinary people all over the place as well as the speeches. I don't especially agree with the Gaza marches as it happens but they do not spill over into the whole city for hours like they were yesterday. And they don't shout abuse at ordinary passers-by either in my experience.

Terrifying? Was it? It didn’t seem like that to me

The Pro Palestine marches with the chanting and songs for the Houthis etc were pretty terrifying too. Imagine being a British Jewish person with that.

Less arrests than Notting Hill carnival where stabbings have occurred in the past with many arrests.. Less scary than the Pro Palestinian marches? Maybe some people found those scary too, just because you don't find them scary others clearly did.

@Poppingbythose people will vote . Not overthrow government ( dramatically overeating again).
freedom of speech is allowed.
do I agree with yesterday. No
do I think it should have gone ahead . Yes

Answering your questions, was it Black Lives matter that threw statues into a river and defaced others? I could be wrong though.

Was it Palestinian Action that broke into a military base, caused millions of pounds worth of damage and attacked someone with a sledgehammer ? Cd be wrong though.

Was it Stop oil who caused damage to art and hold up ambulances? Cd be wrong though.

I could go on. I guess if those marches are allowed then ....?

Why not? There's nothing wrong with the flag of your country or marching in support of your country unless you are English, it seems. Which is most of the population of the UK.

We can acknowledge that you felt scared @Poppingby

But you cannot generalise that to say that everyone felt scared. It is a personal opinion and it only counts for one person.

Other people are entitled to have different thoughts and feelings about this march and others and to discuss that.

You using insulting language about people that disagree with you is not convincing me to listen to you.

The event was organised by a racist, therefore anyone who went is happy to be associated with that as far as I am concerned

I don't really like any of these marches. That Yaxley Lennon guy is awful and have been on one of the Palestine marches and some of the people on that were definitely anti-semitic rather than pro-helping the people in Palestine. It seems to be the way of the world atm- everyone is polarised.

Your forgetting how anti-English the Scots are - and then there’s the sectarianism-really annoys me the holier than thou pretence of the Scots. So inclusive?? Really?

If a Labour politician can stand on a high street in front of a baying crowd with a loud speaker explicitly calling for his political enemies to have their throats slit and be found not guilty in court then Elon's comments barely register on the incitement scale.

@Poppingby no one is condoning anything.
its freedom of speech and freedom of choice.
people will attend or people won’t.
its how it is!

Do you care about violence against the police as well out of interest?