Council tax & stamp duty reform

[PeonyPatch]

Who is in favour of this policy?! I think I might be…

This is an entirely normal split

Thanks for that graphic. So single people are definitely putting more into the system than say a family of 4 adults.

Those who under occupy a property by keeping rooms empty
do indeed pay a premium for such

Council tax is not the poll tax

I’m get that. But in a family of five the chances are there are two adults who work. So the council tax in theory is paid between them.
A widowed pensioner probably may just live on their state pension. Yet she is paying 75% of what they pay on her own.

As for social care and children’s services, sadly there are unfit women are having kids who are being taken into care.Its partly down to these women that the councils are being bled dry.
Look how much the councils are advertising for foster parents.

Adult social care is pensioners
wall to wall

Child social care is those born with or developing disabilities
nowt to do with mothers
cerebral palsy and meningitis do not check for such

It’s sad that so little goes towards parks, open spaces, street cleaning, transport & parking… 😢

Correction men & women. It takes two sexes to create a baby you know. Dont blame the woman alone.

Yes but children being looked after by the state ( councils ) are being paid for by the council tax payers.
Lots of children in this country are looked after children , because the parents arnt fit to look after them.

Obviously I want kids to be safe , but surely the unfit parents are to blame ?

It’s a multi faceted issue though. Sometimes the parents die or become severely unwell. Disabled children also require support from the state as well and would be included in children social care

Current council tax £2388
New tax (property value £750k - terraced house in the south east) £3198 under the calculations quoted.
I’ll be £810 a year worse off.
Excellent..

But I do agree that there needs to be more education pumped into teenagers regarding starting families. Quite often the problem is cyclical though and they come from families that are generationally supported by welfare and do not work.

Eh,
If your kid is born with cerebral palsy
is that your "FAULT"
or spina bifida
or downs
or hydrocephalus
or deaf
or blind
or duchennes
do you have ANY IDEA what it takes to look after a severely disabled child
(look up Damon Hill or Sally Phillips or David Cameron)

Agree, and it’s why council tax so desperately needs reforming. No wonder our local environment is so poor!

Im obviously not talking about children with health conditions, I’m talking about children who are dumped onto the state because their parents are on drugs or unfit for other reasons.
There’s signs on buses in my town looking for foster parents and I know of lots of kids in my school who are fostered. Obviously it’s not the child’s fault, I’m talking about irresponsible parents.

I didn’t mention or mean disabled children you absolute idiot.

Oh FGS read the document! You won’t be worse off. The council tax replacement is only on the first £500k. You’d pay (£500 000 * 1.0044) each year, which is about £2.2k.

Hmm. So if it is ‘only’ on any valuation over £500,000 for eg. a 1mil house at 0.5% it’d be £2,500pa council tax. Which is likely less than most 1mil houses currently pay. Not sure they’re going to get much more out of people with that policy. Still, it’s labour innit.

No amount of education would offset the current perverse incentive of the state (or rather, taxes levied on the diminishing few of those actually working and planning their families on what they can afford) bailing you out with accommodation and ‘benefits’ for as many as you can knock out.

You don’t need to be rude.

The calculations quoted said it would be 0.44% between £80k and £500k.
Plus 0.54% over £500k.

Not quite the case that ASC is all on pensioners @Talkinpeace increasingly it’s working age adults, with lifelong conditions who, go a few decades back, would have seen a more limited life expectancy. Thankfully we’ve moved on a lot and many do live much longer and more fulfilling live but with the associated costs of support.

the National Audit Office report I linked shows the typical weekly support cost can be double that of the traditional ASC recipient.

increasingly Councils are seeing an ever larger percentage of their ASC expenditure being on care and support for 18-65s, in some councils that is already around 50%, and the direction of travel is only way.

the Casey review has started but whether this or any other government will act on whatever it’s full recommendations - which are still several years away - are remains to be seen.

Listen it’s all just speculation now anyway, guess we need to wait and see what magic Labour will weave. Ahem. 🪄

True dat.

Yeah, I don’t disagree with you tbh. I know it might seem cruel, but removing the incentive needs to happen.

It isn't necessarily that there's minimal spending on those things, it's just that it pales in comparison with the truly enormous social care spending.

Yeah, I think that’s most likely what I meant really.
My partner and I often feel quite disappointed by how little we feel we benefit from the cost of our taxes. My local park for example is often overgrown and I’ve had to contact the council twice for it to have its grass cut so we can walk our dogs. There’s so much litter everywhere and potholes in the roads. I can’t help but resent how much we pay and get very little in return.