Labour voters….

[CurlewKate]

…… what do we do now?

I mean people complain about downsizing & having to pay stamp duty.

FWIW, I’m more than happy to pay the tax on my inheritance.

Just in case I should be accused of being a hypocrite for having one.

i don’t disagree that many foreign born carers are very dedicated. The issue is that it has been very bad value for the country

But people want carers to work for peanuts so they can protect any inheritance

Quite.

Try starting a thread on giving care workers and NHS staff (all of them not just the patient facing ones) an above inflation pay rise to bring them closer to pay restoration. They’ll be seen as grabby and Labour bending to the unions.

Look at the grief the doctors & Labour get on here for that pay settlement that wasn’t close to their starting point (full pay restoration) even though they are leaving their country in their droves so they can be better paid elsewhere.

@RafaistheKingofClay

What would be much more useful is being able to afford to live now on a single income and have secure housing.

It’s called equity release.

matresense
How do you suggest we recruit and maintain carers? We have an aging population and a health service that cannot discharge elderly people due to lack of care. Many care staff used to come from the EU. We closed that door and low and behold find that we still need the people to do this role. Hence the recruitment from other countries overseas. The government is closing this route not because it is bad for the country but because they think it makes them look more electable to Reform supporters. The care workers I know are going to be contributors to our economy. They work hard. They pay taxes and their children study at school. They are here at our invitation because we need their labour.

That’s quite a way to miss the point.

@MissJeanBrodiesmother

Many care staff used to come from the EU. We closed that door and low and behold find that we still need the people to do this role

There are approximately 1.75 million people in the UK claiming unemployment benefits. What prevents them from working in care homes?

I mean, if the only way people can afford stuff it to use money someone else is earning not from working that’s a pretty dumb way to run a country and it isn’t a surprise everything is broken. And the people responsible for that are not the ones at the bottom of the chain.

They do not have the skills nor do they have any interest in the role. It is poorly paid and regarded. Shifts are long, demanding physically and emotionally and involve unsociable hours. There are no qualifications and it is difficult to see it as a career with a career path. Why would you want someone who has no skills or interest in a role forced to look after you when you are disabled or vulnerable in some other way?

Especially when Filipino & Indian nurses & carers are the dogs bollocks IME and worth every penny we pay them (and we should pay them more)

I would rather have someone who wants to do the job but is an immigrant than someone who is doing it just because they are told to do it if I have a preference.If we didn’t spend quite so much time running the jobs down and not seeing them as worthwhile or worth a pittance we might not have so much of a problem recruiting. Teaching has the same issue and the way we talk about these jobs has a country needs to change.

RafaistheKingofClay
I agree entirely. My son's care team are from Zimbabwe, South Africa and Nigeria. They are infinitely better than any of the carers he has had from the UK who were predominantly young British people who did the job because they had no other options, were unreliable, disinterested and spent most of their time on their phones. The people he now has are older, committed to helping him and take their job seriously.

It’s called equity release

Jfc

Why would you want someone who has no skills or interest in a role forced to look after you when you are disabled or vulnerable in some other way?

indeed

I agree. Entirely.
Oh! Other than, I voted the LP & ll continue to do so, all other things being equal.

So, I hear this an awful lot and wonder , what exactly has Starmer done that’s so bad that other politicians wouldn’t have done ? “

Winter fuel allowance? That was always going to be a problem, whatever the baseline was. They simply removed the blanketed allowance and gave it instead, to the people that really needed it, as opposed to a wealthy “Gary Lineker” . When they say the tills are empty, I don’t think people understand just how true this really , is ?
The amount of money the Tory govt wasted during covid. Goodness ! The money has to be paid back , somehow, you see.
Starmer is left with digging water out of the rocks, quite literally.

“It’s unclear what point you’re making here or which policy you’re referencing...”
As it’s always the case with reform voters. Im
yet to meet a single one of them with the knowledge of the direction the company, reform is going or most importantly, HOW.
They all just seem content and overtly excited by the divisive rhetorics their politicians peddle. It’s beyond me.

That's not "other than" then, as you are included in the Labour voters who are not disenfranchised to the extent that they cast their vote elsewhere. 😉

Simply put, I have no faith in him. I don't believe he has integrity, lacks conviction and bends like the wind. He can't decide whether he is courting old, traditional Labour voters, or the more m/c, liberal type. I suspect he thinks and likes the second lot more, but understands he needs the first lot for the numbers, so will use ill advised rhetoric to reel them back in. This lack of clarity leads to a divided party. He'd garner a lot more support by being explicit in what and who Labour actually represents, rather than this watered down flip flopping version who is only alienating members from ' both sides'. Currently, he's appealing to no one. And I disagree with the wfa not being awful; many struggling pensioners are over the threshold of support by mere pounds but have lost their entitlement.

For care, they are going to do the EU youth mobility scheme hoping a lot of nice young women from Eastern Europe come back over to fill the gaps and as it will be short stay and they are young, the long term cost to the country would be less than a middle aged experienced nurse from Africa or Asia. That seems to be where this is heading.

@RafaistheKingofClay

Especially when Filipino & Indian nurses & carers are the dogs bollocks IME and worth every penny we pay them

What attracted them to the UK? Is it because they are genuinely interested in the work, or because they can’t earn the same in their native countries?

I would say it the latter.

People should have to be trained to specific standard before they can work in care homes. Pay needs to be higher too.

However, neither the government nor the care homes want to incur the costs of the training and higher wages. So, they are happy to employ cheap labour from outside the UK.

Filipino nurses often choose a nursing career specifically because they want to emigrate. The Philippines train far more nurses than they need in order to export them and boost their economy with the money they send home.

Yes this needs to change. That's a ridiculous state of affairs the UK has got itself into.

Or reduce the IHT rate from the stupidly high 40% so that more people "accept" paying it rather than paying tens of thousands in professional fees to set up trusts etc to avoid it. Going from a 0% rate to 40% is far too high a leap. I'd far rather see it at something like 10% over half a million.

What I've never understood is why such foreign trained medical professionals want to come to the UK, when loads of UK trained ones want to leave the UK and move to Canada, Australia, etc. Why don't the Filipino (and others) go straight to Canada/Australia?