Call to Birmingham to Stand Against Fascism

[BisiBodi]

This Saturday, fascist Britain First are planning to come to Birmingham, one of the UK’s most diverse cities, to call for mass deportations of immigrants. They have told their supporters that they will not be visiting "the bad, multicultural areas of Birmingham". Instead, they will be in the City Centre.

Shamefully, the police have made the decision to allow them to march to Victoria Square, Birmingham’s most iconic and most central public space, where they will be allowed to have their rally. Furthermore, the police have told anti-racist activists in the city that anyone who wants to oppose the fascist march will be allowed to assemble but will not be permitted to march.

Across Europe the far right are growing in influence and Trump's re-election has boosted their confidence. Reform UK is starting to make significant electoral gains. Fascist groups like Britain First are emboldened by the mainstreaming of racist and bigoted narratives against immigrants, Muslims and LGBT+ people. This is why they have chosen to march in Birmingham.

Kier Starmer has now added to the avalanche of vile racist rhetoric that blames immigrants for society's problems rather than the billionaires and politicians who have created the chaos.

If you live in Birmingham, or are close to Birmingham, then consider joining our united and peaceful protest.
Let's show 'Britain First' that Birmingham is a multicultural city.
Let's stand together against hatred and bigotry.

Which « fascists » you mean?

It says Britain First in the first sentence.

What makes them fascists?

“Shamefully, the police have made the decision to allow them to march to Victoria Square”

Why “shamefully”, OP? It would be a lot more shameful if they had prevented them. There are many organisations I have no truck with, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t have the right to march, to rally, to make their opinions known. The value I treasure above all is freedom of speech, which I very much fear is being curtailed - and freedom means my freedom to say something you will find offensive, and vice versa.

They really are fascists. Good luck OP. I cannot bear this mass hatred in the world at the moment, pedalled on social media. Then of course we have PMs and Presidents across the world who are bigots, normalising it!

Reminds me of the riots where all left wing media claimed far right conspiracies and coordinated attacks.

You remember that evening where they closed some schools etc. because « the far right was coming » it was all over the media and social media, what actually happened ? There was no far right coordinated attacks, but lots of lefties and ppl of a certain religion were very organised, and took out the streets illegally with weapons to « defend » themselves, becoming the mob they were supposed to protect themselves again. No one from the far right ever showed up, no one talked about it the next day.

What makes them fascists? Can someone reply?

Probably more shameful that pro-Palestine marches are allowed to process through Jewish areas, but hey, who cares…right?

Just google them. It’s not a statement of opinion, it’s the political ideology they have.

I hadn’t been aware of that. I can only think of a few majority jewish areas and can’t think of marches through them? Though may have missed but i wouldn’t have thought that would be allowed?

Have they said transwomen are men? That usually does it…

Their stance, actions, and self-proclaimed ideologies.

Whilst Britain First have themselves denied the Fascist label, which they obviously would, they are almost universally considered be a far-right neo-fascist group, embodying as they do many fascism-aligned ideologies which include, but are not limited to, their self-proclaimed xenophobia and Islamophobia.

Not that I expect their march here to amount to much.
I imagine it will be the same situation that occurs when hate groups announce these marches; a tiny minority of loud, but ultimately impotent, reactionaries turn up and are faced with an overwhelming number of peaceful demonstrators who remind them, very clearly, that their opinions are neither representative or welcome.

I have faith in the people of Birmingham that this gathering will go much the same way.

I’m not buying this faux ignorance tbh…

I am not googling and I am not stopping at « their stance »
When you call people fascists (and it’s not something you should say lightly), you must have evidence to back you up.
if you don’t have any arguments except « that s what everyone says » , you are just parrots and stirring hatred and you should go educate yourselves first

@BisiBodi @Lolapusht

I had the same immediate reaction, but I think on balance that I'm happy with this poster's response.

It forces us, which is arguably never a bad thing, to consider our own stances as reasonable, rational human beings and to hold our own morality up for scrutiny. If we all did that a little more, I really think society would be better for it.

I used the word 'fascist' in my opening post, this poster asked what makes them 'fascist'. That's fair.
Having now examined my OP, and considered my use of the word, I'm perfectly content it remains correct and appropriate.

That’s a very complacent and self-serving word salad, still waiting to hear arguments, facts, etc.

Do you know I was listening to a podcast the other day, and the lady made a fascinating point that I’d not really considered before. She said (along the lines of, can’t remember to direct quote nor want to misrepresent) multi ethnic societies are good and a nice thing to aspire to - people from all different ethnicities come together to live in a particular way, all as equals, common goals living successfully, lovely.

However multicultural society has been proven over and over again not to work. Groups pushed together sharing resource and land area whilst keeping their own ideals and beliefs which don’t marry and often conflict with their neighbours, inevitably creating tension as each culture competes to put their own first. They ultimately become unmanageable and lawless, as the original law of the land cannot be applied equally due to cultural differences. Each side gives negative labels to the other, extreme and provocative behaviours escalate until war erupts and one side ‘wins’ and takes over.

This post reminds me of that, you are saying these protestors are fascists but are they? Are you really the fascist for wanting to shut them down from voicing their opinions? Why are their views lesser than yours? Do you have evidence for the collective defamatory labels you have given them or are you deliberately trying to provoke negative response to escalate hostilities? Aren’t all these marches and protests popping up everywhere just an inevitable consequence of the failure of multiculturalism repeating history yet again? Found it very interesting.

Looks like your thread has attracted some Pro Britain First bots OP.

@Raptorteacher Fascinating. Did the person have a solution?

It’s absolutely allowed. It’s encouraged. The police are on the pro-Pal/Islamo-fascist side.

Mixing cultures does not work. I know first hand.

Is the ideal an ethnostate?

Not necessarily. Perhaps people who share a similar belief system and culture?

Could you give some examples?