Why do people like reform?

[TheGoogleMum]

I haven't been keeping very up to date with politics. I usually vote Labour. I don't really understand the popularity of reform, could anyone explain it to me?
As far as I'm aware Farage doesn't actually do anything when he wins a seat somewhere so I'm not convinced they'll actually do anything? Is it just a protest vote that's gone a bit far?

The best deterrent would be that if you cross in a boat you’ll never get to stay here end of.

Can you explain how?

It’s self explanatory

So, no.

What exactly do you not understand by what I said? If you arrive in a boat you never get to stay here. What more explanation is there?

You seem to have skipped over the part where it becomes reality.

We can all say things. We vote for people because we want what they say to happen. How are Reform going to make it happen?

@Maitri108you’re talking about fixing world problems so no one flees. That’s even harder and more unlikely than the UK saying the below on irregular entry.

At the minute anyone can come here by boat and no one knows if they were true asylum seekers escaping war torn countries or economic migrants. The tax payer has to fund all of them until it’s decided if they are genuine.

If they had a processing centre in France then the genuine ones will be brought here. There will be no need for them to risk there lives and it also means the help will go to those most in need

if Only

yes it’s up to their governments

Do you think having a processing centre in France would encourage more people to come?

No but it will weed out the genuine claims from the non genuine ones.

Actually @Maitri108 - although for the 8 million people now living in Reform run council areas it’s likely going to be less than great - these results have far more potential to herald the beginning of the end for Reform rather than the end of the beginning.

Farage and Tice can get away with doing nothing - having 5 MPs out of 650 is a genuinely good excuse for not effecting change, and a genuinely great place for blaming everyone else for pretty much everything.

Running seriously large councils and their critical services leaves them totally exposed.

No one else to pass the buck to.

They can’t blame the government for underfunding councils because in their world councils are spending too much money already.

Their voters might, not unreasonably, expect to see their Council Tax bills fall for 2026/27, if not an earlier in year reset given all the waste and savings Reform have said they will find. And will be disappointed when that does not happen, or when services are cut (as in stopped).

And may express their exasperation at the ballot box which in a number of those councils will with planned local government reorganisation come in two years time, not the four years that these Reform councillors might be expecting. They might also be exasperated by those who start sentences with and. Rightly so imo.

finally voters in local elections (or other elections) due in 2026 seeing the likely broken promises and failures in these Reform led Councils may think twice before they decide who to put their X against.

That’s fucked Stana’s business. And P&O’s.

How did we get lumbered with them

It's certainly an option. However it was proposed by France and rejected by the UK because the government thought that creating a centre would attract more people to apply.

Their strategy instead was to create a 'hostile environment' to make the UK less attractive.

https://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/directory-record/80908/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-dei-officers-employed

indeed they are going to struggle to find any savings there. One almost might have thought a bit of simple due diligence would have been a more sensible approach. Doesn’t make for such good sound bites though.

It would be difficult to meet demand. Then wouldn’t people cross anyway if it was capped?

By being in the EU and being the only idiots in Europe not to have ID cards and to have a free at the point of service public health system, no questions asked.

I can see the logic that it would attract more genuine asylum seekers to make an application. But would it stop economic migrants attempting the journey by boat? (The worst bit about that being the loss of life.)

Well at least that’s one thing we agree on!

I didn't say I agreed with it but it's an option. The problem is that the UK doesn't want to process claims outside its borders and believes it will act as a magnet.

There's also the question of the law as you can't detain people indefinitely and it will be very expensive to house thousands of people for the duration of processing their claims.

We then have to organise agreements with their country of origin to deport them which can also take a long time.

I'm also wondering how it works for appeals as people have a right to due process.

Most of the dregs we see in our town arrived long after Brexit. ID cards yes x 100.

But they wouldn’t need to detain or house them as they are already staying in France so it would be the same as it is now, claims would be processed faster so there would
be no need to for them to risk their lives.

There wouldn’t be any of the “chucking their documents in the sea” which also riles people understandably. How can they be processed with no evidence of who they are? They can’t be thrown out as they have no passports etc so take up tax payers money.

Those suffering persecution and war would be granted asylum faster and the public would know that those arriving here were genuine and I think the response would be much more welcoming, empathetic and warm.

They have entered without passports, tickets, or visas. They are illegal immigrants. And as an ex soldier, I can confirm that I have spent years in ramshackle accommodation ( tents, nissen huts and containers) behind barbed wire fences. Not hotels. Unless Starmer gets to grips with this, and, soon, he is done for. As are the Tories. The public mood is to take Britain out of the EHRC. I believe that will happen before the next election. If it doesn't, Reform will gain a vital share in any future government.

You have hit the nail on the head. A lot of voters are of the opinion,”there were no SEN children when I was young” . Therefore think it is made up to get benefits. Your friends seem to have picked the bits of reform that appeal to them.

Generally speaking, I think a lot of people with genuine concerns about migration and asylum seekers are branded as racist. They have nobody to listen too them.

@RedWhite

Unregulated migrants in France are living under the radar and are living in tents and abandoned buildings.

Once someone claims asylum they are entitled to certain things such as housing. We would therefore have a duty to provide food and shelter while we are processing their claims.

People can still throw away their documents and make it difficult to process them.