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PhilippaGeorgiou · 29/03/2025 12:03

Userlosername · 29/03/2025 11:58

The language is emotive and one sided. She has not been kidnapped or abducted- she has been detained for allegedly breaching her visa requirements. I don’t know what she has been accused of but certainly Mahmoud Khalil (also cited in the article as being “kidnapped”) is alleged to have serious involvement in terrorism contrary to his visa. She is entitled to a fair hearing either way.

i don’t agree with Trump on much but he is right that the type of rampant racism and terrorism support going on in parts of the us should be addressed.

She is entitled to a fair hearing either way.
And the USA has such a sterling history of fair hearings. Will it be held in Guantanamo?

i don’t agree with Trump on much but he is right that the type of rampant racism and terrorism support going on in parts of the us should be addressed.
Does that include pardoning internal terrorists, arresting KKK leaders, and protecting black voters from intimidation? Thought not.

Userlosername · 29/03/2025 12:05

StandFirm · 29/03/2025 11:59

It's not about 'happy'. It's about the rule of law.
It's fairly obvious why Putin is not happy with activists opposing his 'special operation'. Do you agree with him sending them to a gulag for 15 years?
The difference between the US and Russia is that until now you could say whatever made the government 'not happy' and not fear deportation or a gulag.
Trump should not have been allowed to run for president after Jan 6th. And yet, because they could not pin him down legally for his part in it, he was... The US was a democracy and I hate to see it slip into something else.

Supporting terrorism isn’t free speech. none of us know the details of why she is being deported but she is of course entitled to a hearing. Foreign terrorist groups and the Iranian regime are behind some of the pro terrorist activities in the USA so it should not be ignored

SpiritAdder · 29/03/2025 12:06

Userlosername · 29/03/2025 11:58

The language is emotive and one sided. She has not been kidnapped or abducted- she has been detained for allegedly breaching her visa requirements. I don’t know what she has been accused of but certainly Mahmoud Khalil (also cited in the article as being “kidnapped”) is alleged to have serious involvement in terrorism contrary to his visa. She is entitled to a fair hearing either way.

i don’t agree with Trump on much but he is right that the type of rampant racism and terrorism support going on in parts of the us should be addressed.

One of the “serious accusations” was Mahmoud Khalil worked at the British Embassy….on…wait for it, the Syria desk!! 🤯😱

Those evil British he is just like Benedict Arnold.

StandFirm · 29/03/2025 12:06

Userlosername · 29/03/2025 12:05

Supporting terrorism isn’t free speech. none of us know the details of why she is being deported but she is of course entitled to a hearing. Foreign terrorist groups and the Iranian regime are behind some of the pro terrorist activities in the USA so it should not be ignored

We don't know the details. Precisely. If only based on her article then this is totally outrageous. If there is something else, she's innocent until proven guilty.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 29/03/2025 12:09

MyWiseGoose · 29/03/2025 12:03

It's called a STUDENT visa legally. Think by all means, but not promoting violence against the host country.

They wouldn't have taken her if they have no evidence.

That has got to be one of the most naive comments I have read on MN. Of course people are never arrested without evidence. They are never convicted without it either. https://innocenceproject.org/

And some are freed despite there being evidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack_defendants

Please show evidence that she promoted violence against the host country.

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Userlosername · 29/03/2025 12:09

PhilippaGeorgiou · 29/03/2025 12:03

She is entitled to a fair hearing either way.
And the USA has such a sterling history of fair hearings. Will it be held in Guantanamo?

i don’t agree with Trump on much but he is right that the type of rampant racism and terrorism support going on in parts of the us should be addressed.
Does that include pardoning internal terrorists, arresting KKK leaders, and protecting black voters from intimidation? Thought not.

The us has a pretty robust legal system- of course it’s not perfect. I can’t really follow your second point but of course all racism should be addressed. That includes the horrendous racial abuse and even violence faced by American jews since 7 October. And support for racist terror organisations by foreign students is not ok.

EasternStandard · 29/03/2025 12:11

Userlosername · 29/03/2025 12:05

Supporting terrorism isn’t free speech. none of us know the details of why she is being deported but she is of course entitled to a hearing. Foreign terrorist groups and the Iranian regime are behind some of the pro terrorist activities in the USA so it should not be ignored

True supporting terrorism isn’t enabled under free speech. Thankfully we have laws here for those who support proscribed terrorists.

Userlosername · 29/03/2025 12:12

StandFirm · 29/03/2025 12:06

We don't know the details. Precisely. If only based on her article then this is totally outrageous. If there is something else, she's innocent until proven guilty.

Absolutely. It’s not for us to say as we don’t know the evidence and the article only gives a ridiculously biased view. She has been accused of breaching her visa conditions. She will be given a hearing where she can defend herself

StandFirm · 29/03/2025 12:13

Antisemitic abuse and violence is disgusting and should be punished- but that's not what she's been accused of. Criticising the state of Israel's stance on Gaza is a political opinion, and by the way, one also shared by a number of Jews both in and outside of Israel. This student has been quite brutally plucked out of her life by masked officers as if she was a criminal. There is no way her treatment can be justified.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 29/03/2025 12:18

Userlosername · 29/03/2025 12:09

The us has a pretty robust legal system- of course it’s not perfect. I can’t really follow your second point but of course all racism should be addressed. That includes the horrendous racial abuse and even violence faced by American jews since 7 October. And support for racist terror organisations by foreign students is not ok.

You've obviously been reading very different documents than I have about the US justice system. Like the disproportionate number of black people sentenced to death.

There is little evidence that ICE operate a "robust legal system" - https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/mar/10/john-oliver-immigration-trump

I am sure most people could follow the second point - terrorist and racist extremists operate with the USA and are white US citizens. They operate without let or hindrance. A lot of them voted for Trump.

And support for racist terror organisations by foreign students is not ok. Nobody said it was. And as soon as evidence is produced that shows she did so, they shoud certainly deport her. But no such evidence has been shown. Dawn raids and street kidnappings are the tool of a despotic regime, not a democracy.

John Oliver on US immigration detention: ‘Should be a massive embarrassment’

The Last Week Tonight host looks at Trump’s ‘largest deportation operation’ campaign and the dangerous state of facilities used to house immigrants

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/mar/10/john-oliver-immigration-trump

MyWiseGoose · 29/03/2025 12:23

The way they in intimidated Jewish students on campus should have been a cause for expulsion which means their student visa should have been cancelled a long ago and they should have left or removed. It is criminal activity.

Some PPs here have never lived in America or in a Muslim country with radical element. Sorry can't take your comment seriously when you have no idea what the world is like beyond your comfortable home. You have no idea about American visa system while I've had the experience, all 7 years of it.

Maitri108 · 20/04/2025 00:27

We urge President Kumar and the Tufts administration to meaningfully engage with and actualize the resolutions passed by the Senate.

Looks like support for terrorism to me. I'm not surprised she was kidnapped by the state and disappeared.

pointythings · 20/04/2025 12:28

MyWiseGoose · 29/03/2025 12:03

It's called a STUDENT visa legally. Think by all means, but not promoting violence against the host country.

They wouldn't have taken her if they have no evidence.

Oh you starry eyed naive flower child.

surreygirlzz · 20/04/2025 12:53

Tugsfh · 29/03/2025 09:33

They only want free speech when it’s something they agree with.

Same as all the Guardian readers then LOL

pointythings · 20/04/2025 15:23

surreygirlzz · 20/04/2025 12:53

Same as all the Guardian readers then LOL

Except that Guardian readers aren't actually out arresting people without warrants or evidence and locking them up.

Honestly, some real fascist apologist numpties on this thread.

StandFirm · 21/04/2025 09:48

pointythings · 20/04/2025 15:23

Except that Guardian readers aren't actually out arresting people without warrants or evidence and locking them up.

Honestly, some real fascist apologist numpties on this thread.

They're everywhere - and have a particular loathing for publications and any media that are not owned and directly controlled by billionaires.

MsAmerica · 26/04/2025 00:05

This shocked the pants off me. I first heard about it on the radio, just that a student had been rounded up, which I assumed was a knock at the door. As the details started to come out, I was horrified.
Many Americans are trying to speak up and stand up, but the problem is that Trump's misdeeds are so many, and so broad, and so far beyond any norms, with his law enforcement people themselves violating laws, that everyone is floundering.

Maitri108 · 26/04/2025 11:31

MsAmerica · 26/04/2025 00:05

This shocked the pants off me. I first heard about it on the radio, just that a student had been rounded up, which I assumed was a knock at the door. As the details started to come out, I was horrified.
Many Americans are trying to speak up and stand up, but the problem is that Trump's misdeeds are so many, and so broad, and so far beyond any norms, with his law enforcement people themselves violating laws, that everyone is floundering.

Yes, he's started arresting the judiciary. It seems no one's safe.

SummerDaysOnTheWay · 26/04/2025 11:57

MyWiseGoose · 29/03/2025 09:39

I was on a student visa for my university in the States. Never would I have dreamed of shouting pro terrorist slogans which is what these students did. It is easy to fall into feeling that you're an American too living in the land of the free, but at the end of the day you are a guest. And spouting end of western civilization and supporting people who celebrated 9/11 is not on. You're there to study. Period.

So it’s fine for ununiformed “police” to abduct a girl from the street then?

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SummerDaysOnTheWay · 26/04/2025 11:58

MsAmerica · 26/04/2025 00:05

This shocked the pants off me. I first heard about it on the radio, just that a student had been rounded up, which I assumed was a knock at the door. As the details started to come out, I was horrified.
Many Americans are trying to speak up and stand up, but the problem is that Trump's misdeeds are so many, and so broad, and so far beyond any norms, with his law enforcement people themselves violating laws, that everyone is floundering.

It’s fucking mental.
he needs arresting !

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user499978802 · 26/04/2025 12:47

Even Trump shills Joe Rogan, Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens (Candace Owens! who made like a ten part series accusing Brigitte Macron of being a man) are saying it's gone too far.

It's going to get uglier before it gets better, but the tide seems to be turning against him.

MsAmerica · 28/04/2025 03:48

Maitri108 · 26/04/2025 11:31

Yes, he's started arresting the judiciary. It seems no one's safe.

Exactly. No one is safe.
I'm actually pleased at the arrest of a judge, as I hope that this will shock people who have thus far been complacent.

StandFirm · 28/04/2025 10:07

Interesting watch touching on many of these points: a conversation between Prof Timothy Snyder and Anthony Davis

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Odras · 02/05/2025 20:52

MsAmerica · 28/04/2025 03:48

Exactly. No one is safe.
I'm actually pleased at the arrest of a judge, as I hope that this will shock people who have thus far been complacent.

I don’t know if it will. It is clear this is am effort to intimidate the judiciary but you can see on this thread that people just shrug their shoulders and say they oh well they probably deserved to be arrested. It’s like there is a lack of comprehension of how democracy should work.