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Hesgeth and Vance comments

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PrincessOfPreschool · 25/03/2025 13:46

Not seen a thread on this. There's been hints of this attitude but seeing it 'in writing' feels a bit shocking, not to mention inaccurate and unfair.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cg70xgxl3vmt

US defence secretary Pete Hegseth calls Europe 'pathetic' in Signal chat accidentally shared with reporter - live updates

In the same chat about hitting targets in Yemen, US Vice-President JD Vance seemingly said: "I just hate bailing Europe out again."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cg70xgxl3vmt

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Mickeychampionwhatgoodami · 25/03/2025 13:54

You truly couldn't make up the nonsense that emanates from the Whitehouse of late.

Thoughtsonstuff · 25/03/2025 15:22

The whole thing is doing what I thought impossible. Making Labour look competent.

BishyBarnyBee · 25/03/2025 15:31

I hate everything they stand for but actually my understanding is that the US does pay a bigger percent of its GDP on NATO than the European countries, and that Europe has promised to pay more but repeatedly dragged its feet on paying up. So from their point of view, Europe - which is physically closer and more immediately threatened by Russia than the US - is failing to pay its way. It's been expressed in a characteristically unprofessional and MAGA way, but they might kind of have a point.

PrincessOfPreschool · 25/03/2025 17:09

Well, if a country has a much higher GDP, it should probably pay a larger percentage. A bit like the tax system: if you earn 35k you pay less tax than someone on 135k. There will be people who moan about that being 'unfair' too and that they are 'subsidising lower earners'. But personally I think that's fair enough.

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Thoughtsonstuff · 25/03/2025 18:19

BishyBarnyBee · 25/03/2025 15:31

I hate everything they stand for but actually my understanding is that the US does pay a bigger percent of its GDP on NATO than the European countries, and that Europe has promised to pay more but repeatedly dragged its feet on paying up. So from their point of view, Europe - which is physically closer and more immediately threatened by Russia than the US - is failing to pay its way. It's been expressed in a characteristically unprofessional and MAGA way, but they might kind of have a point.

I get your point but Tbf the only time Article 5 has been invoked was in defence of the US after 9/11 which then led to us goimg into Afghanistan. The US usually get us to pay back money they spent on our defence (we transferred to the US almost all our Victorian empire wealth and have only recently finished loan repayments to the US after WW2) so they owe us this time perhaps...?

Audhdmum · 25/03/2025 18:24

The US was happy for European men to die in their horrible wars

TicketyBoo11 · 25/03/2025 18:26

Just when I couldn’t hate JD Vance more…and don’t get me started on the Greenland scouting trip by wife. What the hell is happening over there..

Thoughtsonstuff · 25/03/2025 18:29

TicketyBoo11 · 25/03/2025 18:26

Just when I couldn’t hate JD Vance more…and don’t get me started on the Greenland scouting trip by wife. What the hell is happening over there..

They've actually gone mad. And those poor Vance kids. Polls in Greenland suggest over 80% of the population are against becoming part of the US and the Danish PM has asked the Vances not to go but they are going to anyway because the US just doesnt give a shit.

Needtosoundoffandbreathe · 25/03/2025 18:34

I'm sure Greenland could find a reason to stop them entering at the border if needed.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum in the US. This administration has taken a hatchet to so much. Vlad must be delighted.

These are not statesmen. They are dangerous fools.

Freysimo · 25/03/2025 18:35

Apart from anything else, how did the journalist get in on the group chat? Surely someone had to add him?

Thoughtsonstuff · 25/03/2025 18:38

Freysimo · 25/03/2025 18:35

Apart from anything else, how did the journalist get in on the group chat? Surely someone had to add him?

It must have been deliberate by someone like a member of staff. It's not a random added; it's a journalist who is a well known Anti-Orangist.

Wirewool · 25/03/2025 18:50

Thoughtsonstuff · 25/03/2025 15:22

The whole thing is doing what I thought impossible. Making Labour look competent.

Nothing makes Labour look competent. Nothing.

MushMonster · 25/03/2025 18:56

BishyBarnyBee · 25/03/2025 15:31

I hate everything they stand for but actually my understanding is that the US does pay a bigger percent of its GDP on NATO than the European countries, and that Europe has promised to pay more but repeatedly dragged its feet on paying up. So from their point of view, Europe - which is physically closer and more immediately threatened by Russia than the US - is failing to pay its way. It's been expressed in a characteristically unprofessional and MAGA way, but they might kind of have a point.

I think they do not really have a point.
It is men like these who have dragged us into this shit show and these wars.
We were doing just fine de-arming. Because, let's face it, if you want a world that lives in peace and sorts issues in councils like the UN, talks, diplomatic negotiations ( you know, like adults..), you need to ditch the arms, so your neighbour does the same. It is Putin who has, solehandedly, put us back into spending billions in guns, weapons, ammunitions and the sort. Instead of investing it into green energy or research in medicine or infrastructure.
It is these guys mentality that weapons are a deterrant to attacks which hides the problem. On one hand, they do all this public talking and trashing of NATO and close "allies", purposely to undermine, severely, our safety under the umbrella of NATO. On the other hand, they sell weapons.
It is all a shitty sales technique. They stir problems, they make money selling weapons. Then stir a bit more over there, and get some minerals. Sell some drones over this side of the border, then tomorrow you have double the orders from the other side.
We really need to open our eyes and stop them from dragging us further down this lane, to our own grave.
Proof of it is that Europe and USA were the best of friends till Europe repaid the World Wars debt. Now, it seems, stirring the pot in Middle East is not yielding enough......
The only thing we can do now is invest in our own Intelligence and Security. Ditch US, bar diplomatically. We will still smile and shake hands.

Sadcafe · 25/03/2025 18:57

If Vance ever came to the UK , in order to comply with UK law, would he have to be neutered, muzzled and kept on a lead at all times when in public?

MushMonster · 25/03/2025 19:00

It is because of these morons that there will be no new hospitals, no more beds, no help to care for our elders, no better education, no better transport..... Because we spent the money on airplanes that take off vertically (which are beautiful and the pilots are greatly skilled, but....), and bombs that can bring whole appartment blocks down in one strike.
I rather have better healthcare, thanks.

MushMonster · 25/03/2025 19:01

Wirewool · 25/03/2025 18:50

Nothing makes Labour look competent. Nothing.

Now, come on! They do look million times better than Trump's guys!
And, at least, they are not tories....😀

Shanzeleezeh · 25/03/2025 19:02

Audhdmum · 25/03/2025 18:24

The US was happy for European men to die in their horrible wars

Err… did you miss their help beating Germany in not one but two European wars?

Sadcafe · 25/03/2025 19:04

Shanzeleezeh · 25/03/2025 19:02

Err… did you miss their help beating Germany in not one but two European wars?

Didn’t miss it ,but they pretty good at not joining in until the hard works done

MushMonster · 25/03/2025 19:05

Freysimo · 25/03/2025 18:35

Apart from anything else, how did the journalist get in on the group chat? Surely someone had to add him?

Exactly! This is no accident. None of it is.

MushMonster · 25/03/2025 19:08

Shanzeleezeh · 25/03/2025 19:02

Err… did you miss their help beating Germany in not one but two European wars?

Of course not. We own it to those men and the US citizens. That is why when they were attacked, we were there. That is why the alliance has lasted all these years.

We own nothing to JD Vance, Trump and company. They started the split.

letsallchant · 25/03/2025 19:10

MushMonster · 25/03/2025 19:05

Exactly! This is no accident. None of it is.

Great to know that no one in that chat thought 'hang on, who's this new number that's appeared in the chat?' Just too keen to carry on with their warmongering and slagging off other countries. We should buy as much as we can from elsewhere and leave them to battle on with their ridiculously expensive eggs.

MushMonster · 25/03/2025 19:15

letsallchant · 25/03/2025 19:10

Great to know that no one in that chat thought 'hang on, who's this new number that's appeared in the chat?' Just too keen to carry on with their warmongering and slagging off other countries. We should buy as much as we can from elsewhere and leave them to battle on with their ridiculously expensive eggs.

Indeed.
The saddest part is that by protecting our markets and own interests, the ones who suffer are the yankees rather than the hyper rich government guys... until they chuck them out in the next elections....
The eggs over there are crazy expensive!

SassySusie · 25/03/2025 19:15

Looks like some teenagers texting.

BananaSpanner · 25/03/2025 19:57

Freysimo · 25/03/2025 18:35

Apart from anything else, how did the journalist get in on the group chat? Surely someone had to add him?

It’s being reported as being defence security adviser Mike Waltz.

It’s got to be a deliberate move though. Nobody does that by accident. They’re probably all in on it though.

mjf981 · 25/03/2025 20:14

A staffer is being blamed for adding the journalist.

This is no accident. It's a play be someone with balls of steel. If I were him/her I'd be on the next flight out of the country, before they get sent it El Salvador.

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