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Does anyone think there's a real chance of conscription?

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4babycubsx · 13/03/2025 20:20

I keep hearing the word bandied around and it's starting to turn me into a conspiracy theorist! I have two boys of 'fighting age' (I've two girls too but I assume they won't be first) I don't want any of my children to be sent to war especially someone else's war! You can bet your life Starmers kids won't be sent!

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Thoughtsonstuff · 17/03/2025 10:41

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 17/03/2025 10:39

I'm not saying that it's easy for everybody to move abroad, but plenty of people do manage it - and more would find a way if they felt strongly enough about it; especially if they were willing to move to a less popular (and easier to get into) country for a few years, to avoid having to serve in the military.

Draft dodgers I think they are called.

ToBeOrNotToBee · 17/03/2025 10:44

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 17/03/2025 10:39

I'm not saying that it's easy for everybody to move abroad, but plenty of people do manage it - and more would find a way if they felt strongly enough about it; especially if they were willing to move to a less popular (and easier to get into) country for a few years, to avoid having to serve in the military.

To flee to France?
If there's war in Europe France is a heck of a lot closer than the Midlands.
Heck even Ireland will get drawn in this time.

EvelynBeatrice · 17/03/2025 10:51

They’d have to do something about the misogynistic culture, rape and sexual abuse of women in the forces before conscripting women.

WinterMorn · 17/03/2025 11:28

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 17/03/2025 10:29

OK, fair enough; but volunteering is a choice that you make for yourself - and presumably you don't give more than you feel you have capacity for, nor join any causes that you don't support or are actually strongly against?

How would you like it if you were forced by law to drop whatever you were doing and do whatever the government decided that you should do 'for the good of the country' and/or because you must personally need the discipline?

I don’t pretend to have all the answers. That said, of course I would drop everything if I had to in a matter as serious as the defense of the country. On top of that, some people DO need the discipline that some form of national service would offer, and I made my support of this clear up thread

dontcryformeargentina · 17/03/2025 11:30

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 10:36

Bit of a problem, we’re surrounded by sea.

True. However, it was never a problem for people to enter this country illegally. If you can enter, you can exit too. Obviously, I wouldn’t be waiting till the last moment and would leave before the rules will be tightened / before my child reaches conscription age. My point is to always have a plan B and focus on what you can control.

AnSolas · 17/03/2025 11:44

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 17/03/2025 10:39

I'm not saying that it's easy for everybody to move abroad, but plenty of people do manage it - and more would find a way if they felt strongly enough about it; especially if they were willing to move to a less popular (and easier to get into) country for a few years, to avoid having to serve in the military.

Countries which have "100%" military service obligations have a legal obligation to show up with a fixed prison term for failure to do so, they don't renew passports and arrest warrents stay on file for life on border control systems
So its not a case of hop off to safe location and come back in a few years.

Natsku · 17/03/2025 12:15

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 17/03/2025 10:34

If national service is so popular, why do they need to make it compulsory in the first place?

Surely they'd have far more people than they could use applying to serve, of their own freewill; and they'd have to be turning lots of them away?!

In a country with a small population and a very long border with Russia, the national defence cannot depend on the whims of the population so it must be compulsory whether people are in favour of it or not.
Things that are critical to a society are usually compulsory even when the vast majority are already in favour of them, like education for example.
Making it voluntary wouldn't lead to far more people than they can use as there will always be some that don't want to or at least don't want to before they start, and we need all we can get. The only ones turned away are those too ill or too physically unfit (and for some reason anyone who confesses to the doctor that they use pot. Or at least that was the case 20 years ago)

Natsku · 17/03/2025 12:19

AnSolas · 17/03/2025 11:44

Countries which have "100%" military service obligations have a legal obligation to show up with a fixed prison term for failure to do so, they don't renew passports and arrest warrents stay on file for life on border control systems
So its not a case of hop off to safe location and come back in a few years.

Yup. I was mistakenly registered as male and when I didn't turn up for service (as I didn't know about the mistake so obviously didn't realise I was expected) I got a letter sent to the UK (where I was living) informing me that a warrant was out for my arrest. If I (well, my mum actually) hadn't cleared the confusion up I would have been arrested next time I entered the country.

AnSolas · 17/03/2025 12:28

Natsku · 17/03/2025 12:19

Yup. I was mistakenly registered as male and when I didn't turn up for service (as I didn't know about the mistake so obviously didn't realise I was expected) I got a letter sent to the UK (where I was living) informing me that a warrant was out for my arrest. If I (well, my mum actually) hadn't cleared the confusion up I would have been arrested next time I entered the country.

Yelp! That would have been interesting.
But how is your passport correct without that flowing to the military? Is it done by a national ID or something else?

Natsku · 17/03/2025 12:32

AnSolas · 17/03/2025 12:28

Yelp! That would have been interesting.
But how is your passport correct without that flowing to the military? Is it done by a national ID or something else?

I only had a British passport at that time (was registered correctly in Britain but something went wrong when my mum registered me in Finland), would have found out when I applied for my other passport if I had done that earlier. It's all connected to the national ID number and a certain part of it has odd number for males and even for females and someone gave me the wrong number.

AnSolas · 17/03/2025 12:46

Natsku · 17/03/2025 12:32

I only had a British passport at that time (was registered correctly in Britain but something went wrong when my mum registered me in Finland), would have found out when I applied for my other passport if I had done that earlier. It's all connected to the national ID number and a certain part of it has odd number for males and even for females and someone gave me the wrong number.

Someone had a bad computer day.

Lucky it could be sorted
I think its Cyprus which was arresting second generation Uk passport holders as they were citizens by birth right when they went to visit family. So depends on the rules.

JenniferBooth · 17/03/2025 13:21

EvelynBeatrice · 17/03/2025 10:51

They’d have to do something about the misogynistic culture, rape and sexual abuse of women in the forces before conscripting women.

And social care.

Womens unpaid labour is never noticed until we dont do it.

caringcarer · 17/03/2025 13:35

Hasn't Russia spent a lot of money on attacking Ukraine. Would even Putin, start a huge NATO war in a weakened state? The thought of my considerate and gentle kids having to fight makes me feel sick though. Let's hope it doesn't happen and arm up to get a better deterrent..

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