Has Labour crashed the economy ?

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With recent news on GDP and job vacancies, do you think Labour's actions are about to trigger a recession?

My guess is they have, but it's still early days. Wonder how long Labour apologists will continue blaming the Tories and other external factors for the mess they are making.

Where do you think money for public services comes from?
Either borrowing or taxes

That’s not what I remember with regard to the NHS. I qualified in 1999 and became a consultant in 2008.

In my first couple of years of work, I remember patients lying on trollies down the corridor and having to wheel patients straight out of cubicles after I had assessed them, so the next one could be moved in to be assessed.

In my working life, there were always inpatient winter bed crises, difficultly in discharge due to lack of social care and medical outliers on surgical wards. However, during my years as a registrar, I did not have to tetris patients around between cubicles and corridor to see them. The pressure then was due to the 4hr wait target. As a final year reg, I was paired with an equally efficient colleague and it was very rare for us to have to hand patients over to each other at the end of an on-call shift.

I never thought I would see the bad old days of patients on trollies lining the corridors again. It is so very much worse now. I can’t describe it without wanting to cry. It’s the whole system - primary care, ambulance trusts, inpatient staffing, social care, and each one that is broken makes it worse for the rest of them.

I’m not saying that New Labour only did good. A lot of money was put in which improved so much, but there was a lot of waste. There were bad decisions (PFI, anyone?).

Well, the Tories got away with blaming Labour for about 14 years (the hard-of-thinking are still even on this thread blaming 'that note') so I reckon they've got a bit of grace yet.

I think they’ve crashed confidence in the economy. Most people seems really stressed about money these days.

We need to raise productivity and cut costs. Blah de blah. There will be a few expensive initiatives that will attempt to pop a sticky plaster over things.

There are so many things that seem like stupid ideas and cost £££s. Violent children needing to be looked after by private companies at a cost in excess of £1 million per child per year. Private water companies creaming off shareholder dividends whilst dumping sewage everywhere. I think we need to have well run basics that are state controlled.

We have become pretty individualistic perhaps with a claim what you can mentality. Perhaps because the government is constantly pissing away millions so might as well.

And I worked in the NHS during the last Labour govt and, as @FallingIsLearning says, the idea that it was worse during that time than during the last 14 years is for the birds. The Tories have systematically destroyed the NHS and absolutely no one who has real experience of it would say otherwise.

After Gordon Brown I thought Labour should never be in power again, and were utterly incapable of sound government.

Then we had the latest Tories and Brexit. It will be a long, long time before I ever trust the Tories with anything more than a PTFA cake sale.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I don't understand why the Tory HQ posters think we are so stupid that we can tell the difference between a real economic crash caused by the government (brexit and liz Truss being worst examples of this) and more normal economic cycles. The economy isn't even doing badly at the moment. The biggest disappointment being the lack of booming growth which is very difficult to achieve given the utter shit show left behind by the Tories.

My job involves making observations on the economy and its effects on business. You do know there was a 5 year period of uncertainty where inward investment to the UK dried up completely? That's Brexit for you. Now we are a third rate option not the place for a European office of international businesses. Plus Liz Truss showed us all what crashing the economy really looks like. You still see the after effects of that on company performance.

Labour usually tanks the evonomy

Remember the Blair good finances were a combination of what had been built up in the John Major years, and they were voted in on a promise to continue the broad Conservative economic policies for their first term.

It’s too soon to say what it’s going to be like this time - they’ve not got an ‘inheritance’ from former government to continue then spend this time round. So the usual swings and roundabouts are off.

I’m not exactly encouraged by the early signs though.

The general public who cast their votes were responsible for Brexit. Not the Conservative Government which at that time was led by Cameron who was hard Remain. Traditional left voters tipped it, not least because they were sick and tired of the left leaning mantra of the metropolitan elite. It's precisely the same reason why Reform are on an upwards curve.

😂

If it was something as impossible and detrimental to unpick as it was, why were we ever given a vote?
it should never have been given to a public vote. So I do blame David Cameron for bringing the vote.

So many post about Brexit. It's coming up to 10 years since the Brexit vote - shall we move on? I'm so bored of hearing about it

No. I don’t.

Seriously. I will be painful for a few years but need to address structural damage from Brexit not to incompetence of Liz Truss.

I’m furious someone who has done so much damage to our country and that shyster Johnson are on the privy council and accompany the king to the cenotaph. I’m a net loser from the last Budget but I trust the more on the economy than the last shower.

Unfortunately a lot of the Labour front bench just really aren't that bright. I don't have much hope, but they've got 4.5 more years to prove themselves

That time you could see a doctor, sure start centres supported all children, ambulances and police could attend if you needed them and schools were reasonably funded.

yeah what a shitter of a time that was
then the world economy crashed - I’m no Labour lover, but I don’t think we can blame them for that.

What has shocked me is how entirely out of their depth they look. Everything they say is word salad and they don’t answer any questions. This continuous blame game about the tories is past old now. Labour were in opposition and paid to be there! What were they doing all this time?!

They have lost everyone’s trust apart from the die hards who always look a bit nuts anyway. The biggest thing Farage has going for him is that when he is asked a question, he gives a straight answer. Not a high bar is it.

I don't think so. But I do think the (NI) rise was a bit mad if their main target is growth.

I think that you’ll find that the. Ritual public voted for the rubbish Brexit idea. Those who voted yes could just as easily have voted no.

@BourbonsAreOverated the public voted to join the Common Market so it was perfectly correct for the public to leave it.

My family fully supported the aims of the common market, EEC, in the mid 70s when it was a CONfederation of Europe. The issue was that it became a Federal Europe.

I assume this is irony?

When it stops making the life of millions of people worse, daily, I’ll stop being pissed off about it.

The country is a giant business albeit hopefully one with ethics and a conscience, but still a business. The NHS is a bloated waste of money which seems to be largely focussed on anything other than patient welfare. Education is broken because children are badly behaved and teachers are ground down by lack of support. The list is endless but without a better work ethic and and a desire to pay taxes ( or avoid them) no government will fix anything.

From what I’m seeing, Labour seems to
be focussing on controlling everything and stifling opposition whilst laying open for public scrutiny the absolutely enormous chip that they have on their shoulders about everything and everyone who they perceive has had it “too easy.” In their dive to the bottom: they are freezing pensioners, they are destroying destroying farms, companies are leaving the London Stock Exchange in greater numbers, companies are not taking on new staff due to higher NI, etc ……….

I bet if you visited Syria you would be asking HTS if they had crashed the economy. Get real!