Assisted Dying Bill

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According to the latest yougov poll, 73% of the general public are in favour of this bill. Why is it that I hear politicians are against it. They are elected to represent their constituents. yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50989-three-quarters-support-assisted-dying-law

So what, that makes no difference. They are still allowed by the state and a lot of people die because of what the state allows.

If the state allows assisted dying, then of course people will die. That's the whole point of it.

Babies are killed every time someone has an abortion should that be stopped as well?

Stop scaremongering and think of the countless people enduring horrific pain under the status quo.

This is the reality. No scaremonging.

So you're saying I'm not thinking of people in horrific pain? How did you reach that conclusion?

But how many? If anyone? You have no idea and it is very unlikely to happen. It is pure scaremongering.

1 is one too many.

Do you agree with capital murder?

Babies are killed every time someone has an abortion should that be stopped as well?

Which babies are killed, sorry? Because that's murder and illegal.

Of course it makes a difference when the state provides the means to kill yourself if someone is then murdered in that manner. You must be a bit dense if you can't see the difference in death being an accidental outcome of an activity which doesn't normally result in death and the above situation.

I think this bill is horrific. I am devastated it's been passed and can't believe that people are so myopic and self absorbed they can't see how this will go.

It suits them to be myopic. It suits them to have a peaceful death, and sod the consequences.

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Everything you say @ByMerryKoala

People are unable to see bigger pictures now. When the light bulbs ping on, it's too late.

If you don't want an assisted death, don't have one. It's like abortion: they aren't compulsory but for those who choose that route they can be a godsend.

I for one am greatly relieved that just maybe, I won't have to suffer an awful protracted death if one is forecast for me.

I agree. I have seen too many cases of financial abuse of the elderly, their children and even grandchildren spending their money without their knowledge 'Because it will be mine one day anyway', someone demanding their elderly mother pay their travel expenses for them to come and visit her.

A lot of people are absolutely horrible and would coerce an elderly person to pop off at a conveniently earlier time before the care fees reduce their inheritance.

Or the elderly person will say they feel like a burden and the relative won't disagree.

If you don't want an assisted death, don't have one. It's like abortion: they aren't compulsory but for those who choose that route they can be a godsend.

Funny that, I've not seen one person who is against the bill state the reason is worry for themselves.

In what way is aborting a fetus akin to murder of a person?

It's not about me - and that's the difference between us.

Yes, you're right. I believe in giving people autonomy.

Hold on, I thought you had to have a diagnosis of less than 6 months to live? Those people with dementia who have got 6 months or less aren't having any quality of life. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but it is true. So the argument of having happy moments and being coerced doesn't really fit with dementia does it ? I've worked on a dementia ward and it's fucking awful.

But you must know the inconvenient truth that this kind of legislature changes the manner in which society talks about what is a valuable life and what is not, and who is a burden and who is not and what it means to live a life with suffering.

Do you think that Canada started where we are today knowing that the population would then go on to support a radical extension in eligibility. That there is support for those suffering with poor mental health to access assisted dying and 1 in 4 Canadians think homeless people should be eligible.

It's not just about the individual - it's what is unleashed and the consequences for the vulnerable that follows. It's not just about you or me.

Who are you to decide someone's QOL?

Nice deflection. I'm concerned that this will be a slippery slope, that people will be coerced into ending their lives prematurely.

That's the difference between us. You are thinking about what you want and I'm concerned about the repurcusions for others.

I've seen how people see the elderly and vulnerable and powerless and don't want them disabused by the state.

In fact thousands of health care professionals have come forward to warn that this bill could turn into a cost cutting exercise.

However as long as you're happy, that's what counts.

The problem is that by giving the choice of 'assisted death' to those who want it, you are giving 'choice' to everybody. So sick and disabled people who are eligible but don't choose assisted dying are making a 'choice' to continue their lives.

My main concern is that it becomes much harder to argue that people should get properly funded care and support, when their continuing existence is now 'their choice'.

@username8348 I'm not, I'm just pointing out there is no decent quality of life the last 6 months of dying from dementia. So the poster who was arguing that didn't make sense. And I would know looking after residents/service users inflicted by it.

This bill isn't about dementia! You need capacity to make the decision and those with dementia don't have capacity.

This is my fear, in a nutshell.

Patients in their last six months of dying of dementia will not have capacity to make a decision about assisted dying.

So I presume all the people in favour of assisted dying and talking about dementia patients are already thinking in terms of expanding the proposed legislation. But apparently its not a slippery slope?

@username8348 exactly ! That's why I was questioning the poster bringing dementia into it ?!