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Assisted Dying Bill

240 replies

1457bloom · 24/11/2024 18:15

According to the latest yougov poll, 73% of the general public are in favour of this bill. Why is it that I hear politicians are against it. They are elected to represent their constituents. yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50989-three-quarters-support-assisted-dying-law

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SquirrelSoShiny · 29/11/2024 16:23

1457bloom · 29/11/2024 16:18

The bill provides the strictest safeguards of any country in the world

I'm quite sure Canada said the same when they introduced the absolute horror show that is MAID. I'm not opposed to the principle of an assisted death in a just and compassionate society BUT we don't live in a just and compassionate society.

1457bloom · 29/11/2024 16:26

@SquirrelSoShiny yes, we have the advantage of seeing how law has evolved in other countries to do everything we can to stop the same happening here. We will have the most strict regulations in the world. Remember this is to relieve people of suffering.

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ByMerryKoala · 29/11/2024 16:26

I'm not sure if it's naive optimism or callous disregard that drives the willful ignorance of the cascade of shitty consequences that result from this vote but it's a dreadful decision.

BIossomtoes · 29/11/2024 16:32

I’m very pleased. Giving people with capacity to make their own choices autonomy is absolutely the right thing.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/11/2024 16:34

ByMerryKoala · 29/11/2024 16:26

I'm not sure if it's naive optimism or callous disregard that drives the willful ignorance of the cascade of shitty consequences that result from this vote but it's a dreadful decision.

Well, you are welcome to do what you want to do and now I am a step closer to doing what I want to do.

So we are both happy.

ByMerryKoala · 29/11/2024 16:35

Do you know that the bulk of assisted dying requests are made by women? Why do you think that might be @Blossomtoes?

BIossomtoes · 29/11/2024 16:43

ByMerryKoala · 29/11/2024 16:35

Do you know that the bulk of assisted dying requests are made by women? Why do you think that might be @Blossomtoes?

I don’t know and I’m not going to get into an argument with anyone about it. I’m very pleased that I will hopefully have some choice over the circumstances of my death and not be forced to endure months of pain and indignity. It’s personal to me and if you want a ruck about it you’ll have to find someone else who disagrees with you. There are plenty to choose from.

ByMerryKoala · 29/11/2024 16:44

Callous disregard then?

CurrentHun · 29/11/2024 16:47

1457bloom · 29/11/2024 16:26

@SquirrelSoShiny yes, we have the advantage of seeing how law has evolved in other countries to do everything we can to stop the same happening here. We will have the most strict regulations in the world. Remember this is to relieve people of suffering.

You can’t say the regulations here will be strictest in the world, we don’t have any agreement what they will be. That’s the worry. As for the published Bill, why is the very respected human rights law group Liberty, saying that the safeguards are insufficient? Their director, Akiko Hart, said:

‘Ultimately, the safeguards in this Bill are just not robust enough, and leave too many details to be decided later, particularly at a time when there is already great inequality in our healthcare system.

We know that the impact of these decisions often falls sharpest on disabled people and communities of colour, who are already less likely to receive good quality of care.”

Ms Hart said there are “too many details” which “have not gone through a process of scrutiny, and as a result are simply not precise enough”.

She said there is a danger of the Bill “evolving into something it was never intended to be”, warning of risks that some people in marginalised communities could feel pressured into an assisted death.

Ms Hart added: “It is clear to us that serious human rights concerns exist and are not being considered due to the rushed nature of this Bill.

“MPs must bear this in mind when they vote.
“If they find it wanting, they should oppose it.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/liberty-mps-commons-parliament-edward-leigh-b1195574.html

Liberty: Assisted dying Bill presents serious safeguarding risks

The debate and expected vote on November 29 will be the first on the controversial issue in the Commons in almost a decade.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/liberty-mps-commons-parliament-edward-leigh-b1195574.html

1457bloom · 29/11/2024 16:48

ByMerryKoala · 29/11/2024 16:44

Callous disregard then?

You still have the option of horrific end of life suffering, that hasn't changed.

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2weekwait · 29/11/2024 16:50

Fully support with the right safe guards in place. Watching a family member slowly die from MND, if I was diagnosed I would take matters into my own hands one way or another

ByMerryKoala · 29/11/2024 16:50

1457bloom · 29/11/2024 16:48

You still have the option of horrific end of life suffering, that hasn't changed.

Why do you think more women than men make assisted dying applications?

user942557 · 29/11/2024 16:50

I can't believe this has happened.

I feel so fucking hopeless.

Brexit. This.

As a disabled woman I'm so frightened.

1457bloom · 29/11/2024 16:53

@CurrentHun is this human rights organisation happy with the status quo and all the terrible suffering so many people experience at the end of their life against their will. At the end of the day you have to take this into consideration.

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1457bloom · 29/11/2024 16:54

user942557 · 29/11/2024 16:50

I can't believe this has happened.

I feel so fucking hopeless.

Brexit. This.

As a disabled woman I'm so frightened.

You have nothing to be worried about, this is about giving everyone choice.

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JoyousPinkPeer · 29/11/2024 16:55

IMustDoMoreExercise · 24/11/2024 20:46

But then why should the 73% be ignored?

If you have to ignore anyone it should be the 27%, not the 73%.

They can decide they don't want it and have something on their medical record to this effect.

ByMerryKoala · 29/11/2024 16:55

ByMerryKoala · 29/11/2024 16:50

Why do you think more women than men make assisted dying applications?

Is it

A) they are taught that they have less value
B) that women are the support sex and taught they shouldn't be a burden or
C) That they are more vulnerable to the coercion and abuse of the people closest to them

D) All of the above?

PandoraSox · 29/11/2024 16:57

user942557 · 29/11/2024 16:50

I can't believe this has happened.

I feel so fucking hopeless.

Brexit. This.

As a disabled woman I'm so frightened.

This is why I am very conflicted about the Bill. Lots of disabled and vulnerable people and the organisations that represent them have expressed concerns. Those concerns are being swept aside.

MrsSchrute · 29/11/2024 16:57

JoyousPinkPeer · 29/11/2024 16:55

They can decide they don't want it and have something on their medical record to this effect.

That would do nothing, you would just be asked, at each appointment, if this was still correct. This is absolutely no barrier to anything.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/11/2024 16:57

1457bloom · 29/11/2024 16:17

Look at the bill in the context of the status quo and all the suffering so many people experience.

I am doing, 1457bloom, and still don't think we can make a bad situation better by introducing measures like this

Those obsessed with the cost of the sick, elderly and disabled would do well to look at Wes Streeting's remarks about the resources that'll be needed, and that's if there was to be any hope of it being run properly, so I'm afraid that anyone thinking that any "savings" will be invested in palliative care is likely doomed to disappointment

In any case the lawyers, committees and endless "consultations" will probably swallow up so much that there'll be nothing left with which to run it effectively, even if that were possible

Luminousalumnus · 29/11/2024 16:58

This is excellent news. I am thrilled. How dare the most vulnerable in society be denied what is a basic right for those of us who have the physical capabilities to take matters into our own hands.

MrsSchrute · 29/11/2024 16:59

Luminousalumnus · 29/11/2024 16:58

This is excellent news. I am thrilled. How dare the most vulnerable in society be denied what is a basic right for those of us who have the physical capabilities to take matters into our own hands.

This is horrific news. Vulnerable people have been made even more vulnerable.

user942557 · 29/11/2024 16:59

You have nothing to be worried about, this is about giving everyone choice.

Actually, I do.

I've been under mental health teams since age 4. Been medicated for mental health issues since aged 10. I'm now 28.
At 18 I would have been approved for euthanasia in Canada.

AuntieJoyce · 29/11/2024 17:01

ByMerryKoala · 29/11/2024 16:55

Is it

A) they are taught that they have less value
B) that women are the support sex and taught they shouldn't be a burden or
C) That they are more vulnerable to the coercion and abuse of the people closest to them

D) All of the above?

Is it

A, a great proportion of men die of heart disease and heart attacks than women

B. Higher male suicide rates.

That’s just two off the top of my head. Anyone can come up more to explain a statistic. It does not equal correlation nor causation

user942557 · 29/11/2024 17:02

The tory government have penalised us, the disabled, for so many years.

My PIP has been removed at times (reinstated once fought)

I have physical and mental health issues. I've been on several waiting lists for ages, some for years. How long before I will be approved for euthanasia in the UK?

I've been suicidal on and off since aged 8. I would have been euthanized at the age of 18. Poor, disabled, vulnerable and black. Not to mention my autism and my sex.

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