Assisted Dying Bill

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According to the latest yougov poll, 73% of the general public are in favour of this bill. Why is it that I hear politicians are against it. They are elected to represent their constituents. yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50989-three-quarters-support-assisted-dying-law

Have you read the quotes? Liberty absolutely have taken it into consideration. They are speaking as human rights law experts with massive reservations about this Bill. Liberty supports the principle of assisted dying. They are quite clearly saying that they consider this Bill to be worse than the status quo. Otherwise they would be urging MPs to vote for it.

Men aren't more likely to die of heat attacks.

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What about heart disease

Women have a higher prevalence of cardiovascular disease than men.

Lots of disabled and vulnerable people and the organisations that represent them have expressed concerns. Those concerns are being swept aside

I'd expect nothing else, @PandoraSox - or in the words of one of our local MPs (which presumably weren't intended to be overheard):

"Well, most of 'em don't vote anyway ...*

How old are you? Were you really terminally ill with less than six months to live age 18? If that's the case then yes you could have chosen this option if it was available. Why do you think that is a choice that should be restricted?

You see, I can see the advantages for the individual - ones who are able freely make the decision and arrive at a more peaceful death. I'm not against it in principle - I don't think it's inherently bad.

But I think it is dreadful for society, one filled with narratives of who is valuable and who is a burden and an ableist understanding of what it is to live with level of dependency.

The Canadian example is one rogue example.

So if we discover 428 cases then we just write them off?

www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/27/canadian-coroner-records-430-cases-assisted-dying/

"A Canadian coroner has recorded 428 cases of doctors breaching assisted dying guidelines since 2018.
Dirk Huyer, Ontario’s chief coroner, recorded hundreds of cases of doctors and nurses breaching medical guidelines around assisted suicide, and recorded a “pattern of not following legislation”, documents seen by The Telegraph show.
In multiple cases, clinicians confessed to not waiting for the minimum period before administering lethal drugs and not recording assisted dying as patients’ cause of death.
In one incident, described as “horrible” by the coroner, a patient was forced to “suffer tremendously” after a physician gave him the wrong drugs.
Last year, a quarter of all assisted dying providers in Ontario had at least one case of alleged non-compliance."

@Luminousalumnus You really think that they're the only people that will be eligible?
Look at every other country.

I think people should be able to choose it but passing the law means people who don't want to die will be euthanized. That is the issue.

I am so sad about this. My experience of how people treat the old and the vulnerable has led me to have a bleak view of what will happen now we’ve been given the option to choose when someone has to die. For instance, I know someone who quite openly says that it would be better if her mother in law, who has dementia, died right now - rather than making life so difficult for her children. She’s feels no compunction about saying this - she genuinely believes it to be true. The thing is, I know her mother in law and although her life is difficult now in many ways she still often has happy moments and her life is definitely still worth living. However, if people were to tell her this was not so enough times I can imagine her being persuaded to agree with them. Another person I know told me she wanted her mother in law to go into a care home, but her husband did not agree. I said I could see his point of view as people very often go downhill quickly when they go into homes. Eg I know of one woman who died two weeks after going into a home, because she stopped eating. The person I was speaking to said, “Well that would be a blessing frankly. The care home costs more than a thousand pounds a week.” Do you really think someone like that wouldn’t exert pressure on an elderly relative to end their life in order to save money? I know these are individual anecdotes, and I can’t prove that lots of people are like this, but that is what I believe. Lucky you, if your experience of life has led you to have a kinder view of humanity. How could we have done this? I feel sick.

Those of us who support the bill need to ensure it becomes law.

I'm delighted. Wish this had been around for my dear mum.

Bloody hell.

How will you do that? It is the hands of the legislature, not the public. Do you have any thoughts about the worries disabled people have expressed?

How will you do that? It is the hands of the legislature, not the public. Do you have any thoughts about the worries disabled people have expressed?

They don't care @PandoraSox

They never did care.

I will never be able to work. It would be so much cheaper to euthanise than the disability payments I receive.

They don't care about the slippery slope.
On another thread a poster valued her life as worth more than a, in her words, "little old lady."

You can be euthanized for just being homeless in Canada.

So if we discover 428 cases then we just write them off?

Apparently so, @ResisterOfTwaddleRex, and regarding the Canadian horrors you can hear the minimising now ... "Why split hairs over a few days / a form not filled in correctly / whatever - they wanted to die so that's all that matters"

87% of people in the Netherlands are now supportive of euthanasia for those with mental health problems.

Give it time.

Great money-saving initiative.

Stop scaremongering and think of the countless people enduring horrific pain under the status quo.

Because we're more realistic and are used to the sight of blood?

I'm very pleased with the outcome of the vote. I want to potentially have an influence on when my life ends.

But how many? If anyone? You have no idea and it is very unlikely to happen. It is pure scaremongering.

How many murders facilitated by the state would be tolerable?

How many deaths on the road are acceptable before we ban everyone from driving?

How many people can be killed by drunk drivers before we ban alcohol?

How many people can be killed crossing the road before we ban everyone crossing the road?

Once you've answered those questions I will try and answer yours.

Death isn't the intended, expected and inevitable outcome each time you drive on the road.

My local MP put out a statement that he was in favour in principle but had concerns over the bill itself - there were inadequate safeguards in it and there had not been enough time given to satisfactorily debate something that would fundamentally change the way our country handled death and terminal illness.
He also said that as it was a private members bill there was no guarantee that there would be enough time given to thrash out all the nuances and safeguards needed.