How do we THINK it's going to go?

[McSteamyorMcdreamy]

Edited: WHO do you think! 🤦‍♀️

I know there have been various threads about both candidates and policies, but thought it might be interesting to see peoples opinions via a straight shooting poll. Go!

and when you've stopped tantrumming like a toddler you can come back and join the grown ups 😊

If you divide the voters into the categories you’ve just given for the candidates, then unfortunately that’s the problem. I hope to god Harris makes it in.

Unlike the ability control her own reproductive freedom 🙄

And I am American, and actually used to be a registered Independent, but switched to Dem about 10 years ago.

Think Trump, want Harris. I wish I thought more of the American public than they'll choose an incoherent ranty law breaker over over somebody who has the audacity to be both black and a woman.

You should widen your circle to include decent people then.

Ha ha. Women's rights not for grown ups then. Misogyny is your thing. Only the little women would want the reproductive classes protected in a patriarchal society.

Yes you're a great democrat. You get to be 'progressive' whilst beating women with a stick.

Amazing. Well done you.

The other side of the woman problem, you get to berate Trump for being a pussy grabbing misogynist whilst being a misogynist yourself. Congratulations.

that's nice dear.

So why did Obama fail to meet his election promise to codify Roe v Wade, do remind me? Or was it that women weren't important enough?

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So patronising, like every other common and garden misogynist.

yes dear

Credit due where deserved. At least you own it.

are you feeling calmer? I was worried you wouldn't have any blood vessels left for the actual results. wee poppet.

Oh. It's you under another name.

Someone recommended an interesting book about that to you on another thread. I'm reading it now.

Are you referring to people you think are actually going to vote for Trump versus Harris? Or are you referring to Republicans that will refrain from voting at all?

Trump because it's sods fucking law.
The USA should be bloody ashamed when they bring this proven criminal back to another term. They won't though. Even if by some miracle Kamala gets in, that fucker will fight it and cause who knows how much more destruction? He's a very dangerous man. At the very least it would be his last term. Not that that makes anything okay, but he could fuck back off after that. Imagine, that's really the best people could hope for. Fucking vile.

I think you have me confused with someone else. I am widely read. I do know that the democrats passed over several opportunities to codify women's rights, at the time it wasn't a pressing concern.

But sure, give me the book title, i'll read it.

https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250881397/thefallofroe

I'm referring to voters who are disenfranchised by Harris due to her anti woman stance wrt to women's rights when it comes to sports and other single sex spaces.

She seems more interested in listening to concerns of individuals like Dylan Mulvayney and 'their' misogyny than the plight of girls in the USA who are losing out on lucrative scholarships to males as a result of the removal of title IX.

It is no good to say that women should have to accept these things because they are not as bad as Trump. Not on the weak argument that abortion rights have been lost when previous Democratic administrations failed to codify them despite election promises (looking at you Obama).

Women's rights should not be second to democratic freedom. Women like Harris are failing women whilst pretending to be our protectors.

Thanks I'll read it, will be interested to know why this means Obama failed to use his POTUS status to protect women's reproductive rights. I don't believe POTUS has less power but I'll read it and come back to you.

Unfortunately think Trump.

He purports to represent the millions of middle and lower class Americans who've just been sidelined by rampant US capitalism. Whether he actually does that is another matter, but it will unfortunately get him elected.

The actual situation in the state with the "killing pets" is the illuminating factor. There were no killing pets (aside from a crazy lady in another state) but the US government have flown over about 15,000 Haitians since 2020! to work at a huge Amazon distribution centre on the town's outskirts, displacing huge numbers of US workers from not just jobs but homes. They're paid a fraction of what a US worker would get, and it's been so successful that they're building another one.

This is why Trump will be elected.

OK, I’m as gender critical as it’s possible to be, but voting for Trump instead would be like burning your house down because there’s a stain on the carpet. Trump could literally not give a single shit about women unless he’s assaulting them. And Republicans are dismantling every part of reproductive autonomy women have. So what you’re saying about Harris sounds like ‘but her emails’ for Hillary Clinton. Seriously.

Oh, and on the Democrats not codifying Roe v Wade? Yes, that was disappointing. But voting for Trump instead? Fuck me…

You're misunderstanding me entirely.

I am not a Trump supporter. I'm just baffled at a notion that the democrats will blame MAGA in the event of a loss tomorrow rather than looking at why their voters might feel disenfranchised.

I think this entrenched tribalism is a reason that elections that should not be lost end up being lost.

How there is even a possibility that Trump could win points to voter disatsifaction. My point is that the democrats would be wise to look at that rather than point fingers.

I genuinely don’t think that anybody voting for Trump at this point could be dissuaded by anything he did or the democrats did differently. Regardless of any candidate that the Democrats put forward.