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What other ways could Rachel Reeves have raised more money?

396 replies

Katypp · 01/11/2024 19:55

As a former small business owner (thankfully former!), the additional costs would have crippled our company.
But according to some posters on MN, we should just have sucked them up from our profits and if we could not afford to do so, should not have been running a business in the first place. If only life were as simple as some (who clearly have never run a business) seem to think it is.

Anyway, I wondered if any other posters would like to contribute to a thread of suggestions of alternative ways money could have been raised. Specifics if possible, not general Tax The Rich type posts.

I'll go first ...

  1. Restore employees' NI to the level it was before Jeremy Hunt tinkered with it last Budget. We've only had the uplift a few months so the pain would be minimal
  2. Get rid of the pension triple lock and put pensioners on a level footing with other benefits increases.
OP posts:
Maplelady · 02/11/2024 00:05

taxguru · 01/11/2024 23:12

Target the black economy. Traders doing cash in hand jobs and not declaring the profits thus tax evasion and often accompanying benefit fraud. Same target against businesses and individuals employing people “off the books”. Then duty free fags and booze sold in dodgy pubs and shops. Money laundering Turkish hairdressers, nail bars, phone accessory shops, American candy shops and ethnic supermarkets who never have any customers. Target fake self employment such as just eat drivers, etc. The official tax gap of the black economy is billions. Increase HMRC, police and council staff to enforce the laws and generate billions in tax revenue and save billions in benefit fraud.

I agree with all of this. Plus a beefed up CMS system to help tackle child poverty. Proper sanctions for people living a standard of life that isn’t reflected in their end of year assessments.

MaidOfAle · 02/11/2024 00:07

VanCleefArpels · 01/11/2024 23:59

Restrict disability benefits for working age people to those with very severe disabilities and divert some of the saved funds to create proper mentoring and support for those with mild anxiety and depression who would actually benefit from having something to get out of bed for in the morning, some routine and self esteem.

Because there's so many employers queuing up to offer jobs to disabled people. There's so many employers queuing up to offer jobs to people who jump out of their skin whenever the phone rings or have self-harm injuries that the customers can see.

Tell me you've never been mentally ill without telling me you've never been mentally ill.

U13579 · 02/11/2024 00:12

We could align the income tax thresholds in the rest of the UK with those in Scotland? I'm not sure how much that would raise and also would be hugely unpopular as it is costly for the individual.
I think targeting benefits is a bit of a red herring in that the overall benefits bill is a tiny % of the budget it really wouldn't make much of q difference

MaidOfAle · 02/11/2024 00:13

recklessgran · 01/11/2024 23:22

Cut overseas aid - we can't afford it.
Increase income tax by 1p in the pound for all.
Give a flat rate of child benefit.for a maximum of 2 children across the board regardless of parental income. If they can restrict UC to 2 children they can do the same with CB.
Make a small per night charge for all adult hospital stays e.g £2.50 say?
Address immigration by investing in better border controls. I simply don't understand why the people coming on the boats aren't being taken straight back to France as soon as they land here? Who cares whether or not France agree to this they are clearly turning a blind eye!.

Cutting overseas aid will mean more people coming here on small boats to escape the awful places they live in.

Charging for hospital stays will probably cost more to enforce than it will earn and will hit the poorest people hardest, deterring them from seeking medical care. Likewise, charging for GP appointments will cost money to administer and deter poor people from seeking medical care. We already see this with people who are just above the means-tested benefits threshold not going to the dentist or optometrist. Missed eye exams can lead to blindness through undetected glaucoma.

MaidOfAle · 02/11/2024 00:16

OnSecondThoughts · 01/11/2024 23:03

They could have say three months of "total tax" where no person or business is allowed to have ANY spare money or profit just for those 3 months - it ALL has to be taken out of the bank automatically and paid to the taxman. So if you have zero in the bank, your wages goes in, say £2500, and at the end of that month once your mortgage, bills and groceries etc are paid for (essentials only), there is say £78.43 left in your bank before your next wage goes in - the banks are instructed to pay that £78.43 to the taxman. First, the bank must check for any unnecessary outgoings (paid out just to avoid that tax) and add that amount on to the tax payment. Same with businesses. After they pay their employees and suppliers, any cash left over is 100% tax. Just for 3 months.

Define "essential". I need to replace my bras before January as the elastic is poking out...

user1467300911 · 02/11/2024 00:17

Funniestlion · 01/11/2024 20:03

Made the windfall tax on oil and gas companies much much higher

This. They won’t pay up for the damage and loss of life in Valencia that their products have caused, so I would put it up to 95%.

MaidOfAle · 02/11/2024 00:32

U13579 · 02/11/2024 00:12

We could align the income tax thresholds in the rest of the UK with those in Scotland? I'm not sure how much that would raise and also would be hugely unpopular as it is costly for the individual.
I think targeting benefits is a bit of a red herring in that the overall benefits bill is a tiny % of the budget it really wouldn't make much of q difference

"Targeting benefits", or more accurately "targeting benefit claimants" is a divide and conquer rhetoric from the plutocrats running much of the press.

Capitalism relies on a reserve army of labour known as "the unemployed" so that businesses can hire workers e.g. for Xmas and then discard them back to the dole queue afterwards. To get away with treating a portion of the workforce as disposable like this, the rest of us have to be trained to despise these unemployed people, otherwise we'd protest and demand a better deal for them. Another benefit to employers of a proportion of the workforce being unemployed is that it keeps wages down and deters workers from asserting their legal rights, for fear of being fired and replaced.

State benefits to work-capable working age people, whether they are in work or not, are a form of subsidy to employers. Top-up benefits are subsiding employers by making it possible to pay wages that are too low for workers to live on and offer hours that aren't enough to earn a living income. Unemployment benefits subsidise the employers by allowing them to benefit from workers' labour without having to pay them all year around.

I wish people would realise that working-age benefits paid to work-capable people are State subsidies to employers, not workers.

OnSecondThoughts · 02/11/2024 00:37

MaidOfAle · 02/11/2024 00:16

Define "essential". I need to replace my bras before January as the elastic is poking out...

Hmmmm. OK, one bra is allowed. But we need to close these tax evasion loopholes.

SpoonHeader · 02/11/2024 00:38

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1WanderingWomble · 02/11/2024 00:43

Tax on deliveries - takeaways, Amazon, supermarket shops etc.

dontcryformeargentina · 02/11/2024 00:49

Lifelover16 · 01/11/2024 20:21

Cut the £11billion overseas aid

Exactly

MsPavlichenko · 02/11/2024 00:51

Tax the rich.

Yalta · 02/11/2024 00:56

Decrease income tax

Decrease NI

Going to end up costing the government more the way it is being handled

WalkingThroughTreacle · 02/11/2024 00:59

Increase CGT and also tax unrealised capital gains, but with a minimum threshold to scope out lower net worth individuals. We need to fund our public services sufficiently so taxes need to be raised but we should also be looking to address the grossly unfair distribution of wealth. We should not accept that some people can accrue many millions or even billions whilst others need to rely on food banks despite working full time jobs.

Stressedafff · 02/11/2024 01:00

Stop the bankrolling of Ukraine.

SwanSong1 · 02/11/2024 01:01

Buttons0522 · 01/11/2024 20:10

Reforming the welfare state. Ensuring that those who could be contributing to the state, are doing so. When I worked in retail as a student I had colleagues who would not accept overtime because it would take them over (I think?) 16 hours and then their benefits would be impacted. Make it make sense!! It is not a popular opinion (but sometimes the truth hurts) but head to any home bargains or high street on a weekday to see the masses of economically inactive who are taking far more than they are contributing. Honestly, if you don’t believe me, just pay a visit and you will see.

Those dependant on the Welfare state is minimal compared to these large corporate businesses who have not paid anything into this country. Another clueless Tory,

TheWildRobot · 02/11/2024 01:05

Rejoined the single market and customs union. Not doing so is costing HMRC £40-45bn per year in taxes and that number will continue to grow year on year.

TeatimeForTheSoul · 02/11/2024 01:10
  1. Tax gambling appropriately instead of giving it an easy pass
  2. Get rid of Special Economic Zones and Freeport’s where companies are free to not pay tax and don’t have to abide by our laws
  3. Bring in the tax on vapes in January rather than giving then and extra 2 years grace (if education can be taxed immediately why not vapes??)
TeatimeForTheSoul · 02/11/2024 01:11
  1. Stop subsidising all the food and drink in the House of Commons and House of Lords. We already pay for the rest of their food and fuel, surely they can get p*seed on their own money
Miley1967 · 02/11/2024 01:13

In my area there seem to be a lot of people working in restaurants/ sweatshops on a casual cash in hand basis where rogue employers pay no NI for their employees at all. When are they going to clamp down on this kind of thing? Also agree the welfare bill seriously needs to be looked at but I think this is coming as a separate announcement soon or maybe early next year ?

TheWildRobot · 02/11/2024 01:34

Most of the suggestions on this thread are so weird. While they might or might not have individual merit, the vast majority are so insignificant in terms of scale compared to the economy or total tax revenues that they are completely irrelevant. Do people really have no idea of the proportion of tax is raised from the various taxes, the overall size or the economy and tax revenue, and the amounts that are spent on the various departments of public spending?

There seems to be no sense whatsoever of scale or of the simplest ecoj in most of these comments. No wonder politicians find it so easy to snare ignorant voters with slogans and nonsense if this thread is representative of the general level of understanding of even the most basic facts about the economy.

TheWildRobot · 02/11/2024 01:35

Sorry, *simplest economic realities

So many depressing comments talking about trivialities.

ilovesooty · 02/11/2024 01:38

Wilma55 · 01/11/2024 21:09

Scrap the £10 Christmas bonus.
Make working pensioners pay NIC.

I agree with that, as a working pensioner.

TeatimeForTheSoul · 02/11/2024 01:40

TheWildRobot · 02/11/2024 01:35

Sorry, *simplest economic realities

So many depressing comments talking about trivialities.

So what would you do?
Which of the ideas do you not find ‘trivial’?

OldTinHat · 02/11/2024 01:47

Lifelover16 · 01/11/2024 20:21

Cut the £11billion overseas aid

^^ This!

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