HIKE IN TAXES/BENEFITS

[CyclingAddict]

Just thinking..we’re expecting all sorts of horrors with tax rises everywhere and bracing ourselves for the Budget. The Government need to afford to pay, amongst other things, for social care.

One family I know receive £5,200 per month in Benefits due to three children having ADHD. Me and my husband work 50 hours a week and earn less than that 😳

Another family were offered a mobility car ..they are wealthy with good incomes and were offered either a brand new Audi, BMW or Mercedes. Even they were questioning why it had to be an upmarket car and, therefore, a bigger cost to the Tax Payer!

If you want disabilities and are wishing disabilities on your children in order to gain money that has to be spent on managing the extra costs of living with disabilities, please don't act on this wrt your children — they have a right to a healthy life whatever your deranged resentments.

I’ve got a brand new Motability car. I picked it up last Friday. DH paid over £20k in tax last year, but that doesn’t stop me being disabled. It doesn’t stop me living a life in pain, it doesn’t stop me being unable to walk.

Absolutely no one is “offered an Audi, BMW or Mercedes…” when they go for a Motability car unless they’re prepared to pay a hefty advance payment, probably around £6k. If you go for a grant you’re told there’s plenty of cars with a £0 AP or are offered a grant for about £1000 for an electric vehicle. It’s causing a lot of stress to a lot of disabled people who can’t have chargers fitted to their homes because they don’t have a drive or a their landlord won’t allow it,

It absolutely pisses me off that people post complete and utter bollocks about what disabled people are entitled to in this country. We have a shitty enough time as it is. Get a grip of yourself and get on with your own life fgs.

Another daft post criticising people, even in this case children, with disabilities for daring to exist and needing additional support.

Disgusting and likely made up post...

I doubt very much that this 'family you know' shares their finances with you in such details.

As others have said to get that sort of money in Universal Credit those three children are going to very profoundly disabled. Would you @CyclingAddict wish that on somebody?

Take disability out of the equation and there are five people to keep warm, clothed and fed on £1500/month. £1200 if the youngest were born after April 2017.

AIUI Motability is a lease scheme. The claimant surrenders their DLA or PIP for mobility and the same money goes to Motability who provide a lease car. The cash alone will get something like a Dacia Jogger or a Kia Stonic. Bigger and more costly vehicles are available but require an upfront payment which may be substantial.

They didn't have to take an Audi or Merc but if they did the cost to the taxpayer is no more than the Jogger.

Well said.

The OP isn't going to let facts get in the way of a good old rant about non means tested benefits though.

I'm amazed again at how these posters know so much about other people and their finances and what they get in benefits.

You are being told lies or you are simply trolling, having three children with ADHD would never qualify for that level of benefits.

Benefits don't give you a comfortable lifestyle, even with a disabled child or family member. I don't know the exact figures but it's nothing like your post says

I work in people's homes and I see all it all, but what people don't seem to understand is most people on welfare are actually working....the problem is their income often needs to be subsidised.

Having three children with learning disabilities isn't something I'd wish on anyone and while you will get some extra support most of it will be in the form of educational / community support rather than pure financial. So I'm afraid you are being lied to. The costs of learning disabilities become an issue once the individual turns into an adult and his carers become too old or unable to care. Then the state will often have to provide live in carers, a house, an income etc ...but you tell me what the alternatives are....go like India and turf vulnerable people onto the streets. They will end up being exploited and turned into slaves by criminal gangs...just like In India....

There are plenty of people not working who probably should be and it's sometimes too easy to shirk work but it's not a great financial choice and it won't net you an income that's going to give you a good lifestyle.

You mentioned about working 50 hours a week...well join the club. I'm still working it and I'm close to retirement age but I think the problem is our wages simply have kept up with the times. In the 1980s I was earning between 20,000 and 30,000 a year....I'm.only earning 55,000 now...and that's still considered a good income....but it's not really because really I should be earning a lot more. I pitty people earning the minimum wage because it's a impossible task running a house and keeping a family when you are working all hours to bring in enough money to be able to save a little for holidays etc. But don't make the mistake of thinking it's those on welfare and even if they cut all the welfare do you really think they will pass the savings onto your Household. If anything it will make you poorer because without the welfare system you'll have no safety net if something goes wrong....like cancer...1:3 is the ratio....who pays your wages when you can't work ...your employer will have little patience. ...6 months and you'll be reliant on SSP...my wife has cancer and I know all about it

Another family were offered a mobility car ..they are wealthy with good incomes and were offered either a brand new Audi, BMW or Mercedes.

That's not how the scheme works. You don't get 'offered' anything. If you receive enhanced rate mobility you can lease a car through motability. You not only pay for it every 4 weeks using the mobility element of your PIP (or equivalent) but for top brand/model cars you also pay a very heavy advanced payment.

If you search the motability website, it will detail all of this for you. I'm sure you won't need a link provided given how clever you sound

Do they all have flat screen tellys too or has the cliché moved on a bit?

Not sure this thread went quite how the OP hoped.

Your post is factually incorrect. A quick look on the motability site would confirm that.

No doubt OP will be back to inform everybody of the 8 holidays abroad those people she "knows" have every year. Not to mention them having the latest I-phones and all the kids dressed in designer clothes.

I'm baffled about how many people apparently tell all and sundry - extended family, neighbours, distant friends, their hairdresser, dog-walker (and the dog, of course), and a random stranger in shops, their private financial circumstances.

Even more bizarre is telling people those private financial circumstances if on benefits - given the amount of ableist and benefit bashing bigotry that's sadly around nowadays.

As for envying disability. Wow. Health is priceless. My goodness you'd miss it if you or your DC became disabled OP. (Not to mention you'd be in for a rrude shock if you had to go through the degrading application process, and the struggle to survive financially on disability benefits).
Count your blessings.

Btw everybody is a taxpayer. Including people on benefits.

https://www.entitledto.co.uk/
And you generally know what people do for a living as people communicate with others about their job and sometimes their hours.
Most jobs are publicly advertised so it's not rocket science to work out what someone earns of they don't blab about it to you.

There's only a million or three mobility cars isn't there?
The expensive ones need an upfront payment.

Are you really this ignorant or are you just trying to stir up indignation for political gain?

Thanks for replies

We received a Government payment a few years ago and it was TOO MUCH! Obviously we didn’t decline it or pay it back, as others wouldn’t. I’m just saying some of the payments seem really excessive.

A family member is a Pensioner and is receiving some hefty payments which he doesn’t need, but he is entitled to them so why would he say No Thanks. He’s never been so well off!

A close friend works in a Government department where he knows what individuals are receiving in PIP, etc…his job is hard work, required a Degree and loads of ongoing training, and is stressful at times. He is in poor health but receives LESS than the individuals he works with. One individual receives huge sums because of obesity health issues but buys himself and friends take aways every day coz he doesn’t know what else to spend it on.

One individual receives huge sums because of obesity health issues but buys himself and friends take aways every day coz he doesn’t know what else to spend it on.

Perhaps if you could elaborate on how much these HUGE sums are?

@CyclingAddict are you saying there's and argument for means testing all benefits? It won't win votes :- P.

Anybody getting more in benefits than one earns in a Graduate entry Civil Service job has either a lot of children born before 2017, children with disabilities as you hi light in the OP or they pay rent.

The last on is most likely. They don't keep the £1600/month Housing Costs Element in their UC; it goes straight to the Landlord.

'A close friend works in a Government department where he knows what individuals are receiving in PIP'

More nonsense.

PIP rates are available for all to see at https://www.gov.uk/pip/how-much-youll-get and they are set amounts for everyone, so no one is going to receive 'huge sums'.

No idea how your 'friend' would know what takeaway someone on PIP buy or does not buy.

This pathetic thread really is complete science fiction.

We received a Government payment a few years ago and it was TOO MUCH! Obviously we didn’t decline it or pay it back, as others wouldn’t.

Some people , myself included, would pay it back or not accept it in the first place or donate to a local charity - if they genuinely didn't need it. Why didn't you, if you felt it was too much and you didn't need it?

A family member is a Pensioner and is receiving some hefty payments which he doesn’t need, but he is entitled to them so why would he say No Thanks. He’s never been so well off!

Assume those hefty payments are from substantial private savings and/or a large private pension. Because benefits, including for people of pension age, are low in the UK. And the UK state pension is one of the lowest in the developed world.

Your family member may be doing ok (presumably as he's family, you're relieved he's managing), he is not representative of other pensioners. UK pensioner poverty is increasing.

The Centre for Ageing Better research found that Although it is undeniable that there are wealthy older people, wealth inequality within older age groups is vastly greater than between older and younger age groups.

Another family were offered a mobility car ..they are wealthy with good incomes and were offered either a brand new Audi, BMW or Mercedes. Even they were questioning why it had to be an upmarket car and, therefore, a bigger cost to the Tax Payer!

This is fucking bollocks, you clearly have no idea how the motability scheme works.

And which party is responsible for these scenarios you definitely haven't made up? The one that was in power for 14 years or the one that hasn't even announced its spending plans yet?

We received a Government payment a few years ago and it was TOO MUCH! Obviously we didn’t decline it or pay it back, as others wouldn’t. I’m just saying some of the payments seem really excessive.

So you'll happily take money you don't need from the government, but object to others receiving money they do need. Hypocrisy at it's finest OP.

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If you know this, then he is incapable of doing his job with integrity and so doesn’t deserve to be paid more.