Farmers who voted for Brexit- views now?

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Any farmers that voted for Brexit - what do you think now?
Again - genuinely interested.

As an aside, has anyone been following French opposition to the EU's proposed trade deal with the South American trade bloc Mercosur?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/mercosur-ap-brazil-france-european-commission-b2653806.html

25 Nov 2024
Almost all of France affected as farmer protests enter second week.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/almost-all-of-france-affected-as-farmer-protests-enter-second-week-what-to-expect/691313

Mercosur deal ‘disastrous’ for French farmers — don’t do it, Barnier says.

https://www.politico.eu/article/mercosur-deal-farmers-france-country-eu-bloc-trade-south-america/

If Brussels were to overrule Paris, it would mark an unprecedented decline in France's influence in Europe. Worse still, the episode could leave a damaging and lasting mark on French public opinion, feeding anti-EU sentiment.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2024/11/18/eu-mercosur-trade-deal-france-up-against-its-own-powerlessness_6733173_23.html

French farmers are always protesting over something! They were paid to produce wine lakes and butter mountains remember!

Somewhat ironic that Michel Barnier and Donald Tusk are leading the opposition on this:

Mercosur deal ‘disastrous’ for French farmers — don’t do it, [Michel] Barnier says.

https://www.politico.eu/article/mercosur-deal-farmers-france-country-eu-bloc-trade-south-america/

"Poland does not accept, and we are not alone, we will not accept in this form the agreement with the countries of South America, that is the Mercosur group, on free trade," stated Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

https://www.freshplaza.com/north-america/article/9682512/poland-and-france-unite-against-eu-mercosur-trade-deal-over-farming-concerns/

Wouldn't the French have a veto on this deal though?

I considered voting leave. I debated and was very vocal about my discontent. However, at the ballots I voted remain, most people would have assumed the opposite, considering how I was talking

The ballots are supposed to be private, for a reason

Also as I'm constantly pointing out it was ADVISORY no-one should be blamed for the government's insane response

I live in North Antrim and I was a field worker for Ipsos in the lead up to the referendum so I interviewed a lot of people who all were saying leave

North Antrim is farming

Leave got the vote up here by a huge majority

We all know how thats worked out for NI

I mean if they wanted a united Ireland then they've advanced that cause immensely! Somehow I don't think many farmers in County Antrim are of that persuasion though.

Possibly not;

Paris would need four member states representing 35% of the population to form a blocking minority.

Or they can refuse to ratify the deal but there's this;

Brussels could also propose to have part of the deal implemented in a provisional manner in order to avoid a lengthy ratification process that requires a sign-off from every national parliament.

The split would mean that the trade part of the deal would be “EU only,” meaning it will not require member states’ unanimity and only the approval of the European Parliament because it would only cover EU-level competencies. Brussels hopes this would accelerate the deal’s implementation even if the final go-ahead on the remainder of the deal stays pending. Concerns remain however that such a move by Brussels could further fuel Euroskepticism.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/investing/commodities/2024/11/08/france-seeks-to-rope-in-poland-to-block-mercosur-trade-deal/

@Theunamedcat Could you imagine the furore if Teresa May had done nothing! In fact her deal would have been better. But no. In comes Boris bouyed by the Brexit regions giving him a mandate! We have a foolish electorate who are easily led. Many people were clear about how they would vote. The silent majority trotted along after them.

The ballots are private but that doesn't excuse the number of people who are cowards because they tell lies about how they voted. If you want it be private fine - but don't tell lies about how you voted....

It wasn't Teresa may who triggered it Cameroon did then quit and there were other ways to go the electorate woupd have calmed down had they done the talking to the EU first they chose to fuck us over on an advisory referendum and broke trust with the public

? Cameron got a “deal” with the EU. Did anything go away? Of course not. The agitation for Brexit only calmed down with Blair and Brown. The Tories had been at each others throats over the EU for years and years. Cameron’s big mistake was thinking complex arguments for staying in the EU could beat the three word slogan “take back control” which appealed to any person wanting a simple reason for putting an X on a ballot paper to leave.

Teresa May got a better deal which still had trade links. It was better for business. Politicians with no business experience got rid of May. I don’t blame Cameron for going. He was in a nest of vipers and so was May.

Duh. I said nothing about trade rules.

You can't ask questions to farmers in July. The farmers were out farming not looking at Mumsnet.

It was the voters who fucked us over. The very point of a referendum is to pass the decision to the public. (And the strongest argument against referendums is that the public is too ignorant to make such decisions).

But if you're given the right to participate in decision making and you exercise that right then the decision you take is your responsibility.

(By the way, it is impossible for any referendum to be legally binding in our system. Parliament is always supreme, not the electorate. But there was no doubt that it was politically binding, and that was clear from the leaflet circulated by the government before the vote - see attached.)

@Gettoachiro how on earth do you think a country prospers? Through trade.

And by leaving the EU, we shot oursellves in the foot. We were a major player and now we are insignificant.

And they wonder why people call leave voters thick.

From what I see in the comments section of our local papers, no farmers now admit to voting for Brexit. We all just imagined the large signs in every field and them appearing all over the TV and radio spouting how important it was to leave the EU.

Yep most of them did vote for Brexit and couldn't wait!

thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/are-you-ready-for-brexit.302351/

It was extraordinarily flawed thinking to turn away from subsidies and a huge market in the doorstep.

I've just looked through a few pages of your link and would say the views are pretty mixed - I don't think you can draw conclusions either way:

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/are-you-ready-for-brexit.302351/page-5
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/are-you-ready-for-brexit.302351/page-7

We were a major player and now we are insignificant

I wonder how Macron and Barnier feel after this slap down from the Brazilian President;

France does not get to decide whether a free trade deal between the EU and South America's Mercosur bloc goes ahead - only Brussels does, Brazilian President [Lula] said on Wednesday.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241127-brussels-not-paris-will-decide-eu-mercosur-trade-deal-lula

Well of course. The EU negotiates. It’s better at it than the Brits!

I suspect in the next election farmers will have massive great 'Reform' signs on their land.

What a miserable thought 😞

Ah, always helpful in a debate to call people stupid because they disagree with you