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Why its common sense not to vote conserative at the next general election

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JessieZoo · 04/05/2024 08:36

5 leaders in 14 years The new one is as bad as the old one when you point out that there are still problems they get defensive instead of admitting failures here and there. Thats more than enough time, and so-called leaders let someone else have a turn with different morals and thinking!.

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Kandalama · 07/05/2024 22:10

GrandmasMeatloaf · 07/05/2024 22:06

To be honest, I worry also about losing the top 1% … a third of the total tax intake according to the guardian - and probably very mobile ☹️

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/13/richest-britain-income-tax-revenues-institute-fiscal-studies

It’s a huge worry.
Why stay and be abused. Not just financially in terms of tax but constantly vilified in the papers and the population in general.
Yes I think a lot will leave, there are countries that appreciate their financial worth.

The UK and labour certainly don’t.
Cutting their nose off to spite their face.

SabreIsMyFave · 07/05/2024 22:11

RishiSunak · 07/05/2024 21:40

Steady on, I don't think I'm that bad. There's been worse.😕

It's not easy you know, juggling multiple houses, a helicopter and lots of other things. Those red boxes, for instance, I have to rummage through them EVERY night.

You've probably see 'Yes, Prime Minister' well.I can tell you that is actually a documentary!

Hey Dishy Rishi. Good to see you! 😆 Whatcha gonna do with yourself when you're trounced at the General Election?!

SavingTheBestTillLast · 07/05/2024 22:23

SabreIsMyFave · 07/05/2024 22:11

Hey Dishy Rishi. Good to see you! 😆 Whatcha gonna do with yourself when you're trounced at the General Election?!

Leave the country and take all that tax money with you I’d say,
Like all the others, who could blame you.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/05/2024 00:15

BuckFadger · 04/05/2024 09:38

I am probably going to vote Conservative. Both parties are equally crap at the moment but I am fed up of Labour fans telling us how we should vote. It will amuse me if the reds are still unable to get an overall majority.

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I am not and have never been a Labour voter.

However, both parties are not equally crap at the moment. Only one party has been in government for the last 14 years. The Tories! In that time they have enhanced themselves and their donors. They have run our institutions, our values, our rights, our laws and our very democracy into the ground.

British governments have done amazing things in the past. Not this government though. This government is a disgrace, embarrassment and severe disappointment to UK citizens.

We have multiple voting choices in this country. We are not America. I don't give a shit that you won't vote Labour @BuckFadger . I judge you to fuck for voting the party that's wrecking the UK.Hmm

spookehtooth · 08/05/2024 00:33

I'm probably voting Labour. Not an ideal choice, by any means but they're offering a few things that tentatively point towards a livable future. For starters, attempting to kick off a genuine transition away from fossil fuels. Its not enough to simply be doing renewables, we're not transitioning until we start trying to turn the oil/gas/coal taps off. Doing this means we start investing in training and developing useful technologies and skills to pass on to our children.
They've also started talking about nature and biodiversity, and I'm hoping this translates to serious investment in active travel and public transport and cutting back on road building.
I worry about the growth obsession, endless economic growth isn't possible on a planet with finite resources so we need to look at distribution of wealth. We've not really started being serious yet about building a circular economy either but like I said .. there is no perfect option

So why not the Conservatives .. they have nothing to say about any of this, their name couldn't really be any more ironic. They bury their heads in the sand, saying nothings wrong, they need to wake up if they want my vote. Its really strange and sad, actually, I've read some old articles about proposed future visions from them ... but this lot don't seem to have read those propositions, a livable future isn't something only left wingers need

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/05/2024 00:33

Winnading · 07/05/2024 21:25

Go find an alley cat, get it out there for us to vote on and I'll vote for it. Call it
Non of the above, nota for short.

There really is no one to vote for. Not a single party stands out as voteable, which is criminal.

One single party stands out as completely unvoteable though.🤷‍♀️

Nat6999 · 08/05/2024 01:00

Look at tactical voting, Carol Vorderman is very vocal about voting tactically to get the Tories out. It may mean voting Lib Dem instead of Labour, the easiest way to look at it is if you have a Tory MP, look at who came second last time & how many votes difference there was between first & second, that is an idea of how many people need to change their mind to not vote Conservative or not vote for the lessor parties. Don't waste your vote, voting tactically may mean you have to choose to vote for a party you don't totally agree with, but if it means getting them out then it may be worth it. This will work best in marginal seats.

Nat6999 · 08/05/2024 01:00

Look at tactical voting, Carol Vorderman is very vocal about voting tactically to get the Tories out. It may mean voting Lib Dem instead of Labour, the easiest way to look at it is if you have a Tory MP, look at who came second last time & how many votes difference there was between first & second, that is an idea of how many people need to change their mind to not vote Conservative or not vote for the lessor parties. Don't waste your vote, voting tactically may mean you have to choose to vote for a party you don't totally agree with, but if it means getting them out then it may be worth it. This will work best in marginal seats.

LyndaLaHughes · 08/05/2024 06:03

I find it utterly staggering that people can look around them at the state of the country, the ruins of our public services, the disaster that is Brexit, the decrease in living standards and massive rise in poverty and the lies and contempt we are held in that the Tories don't even pretend to hide anymore and still vote for them. I despair. They have achieved nothing but the ruination of the country whilst lining their own pockets and that of their mates. Their behaviour has been utterly abhorrent - especially during Covid. What is actually wrong with people? How can anyone else possibly be any worse?

Freysimo · 08/05/2024 07:03

Nat6999 · 08/05/2024 01:00

Look at tactical voting, Carol Vorderman is very vocal about voting tactically to get the Tories out. It may mean voting Lib Dem instead of Labour, the easiest way to look at it is if you have a Tory MP, look at who came second last time & how many votes difference there was between first & second, that is an idea of how many people need to change their mind to not vote Conservative or not vote for the lessor parties. Don't waste your vote, voting tactically may mean you have to choose to vote for a party you don't totally agree with, but if it means getting them out then it may be worth it. This will work best in marginal seats.

I won't be taking advice from Carol Vorderman, thanks. Appalling woman. She goes with the money and is no doubt in for a job when Labour gets in. It's not that long ago she was cosying up to Cameron!

LoveSandbanks · 08/05/2024 07:45

MississippiAF · 07/05/2024 20:31

You realise that the people who can do this, are the same people who are additional rate taxpayers, and are consequently contributing much more than most to public services?

We’re a higher rate tax paying family. I promise you I’ll not be voting Tory. I believe that unless you’re shitting gold bullions voting Tory is a vote to harm yourself and those that think they are better off under tories don’t give a shit about the poor, the sick, the young or the disabled.

LoveSandbanks · 08/05/2024 07:54

Secondwifenotsecondbest · 07/05/2024 21:57

Yay! Let’s go back to the ‘good old days’ where the unions had the country by it’s balls and if you worked in the public sector in any capacity you were made for life with guaranteed pensions and the right to strike for any ridiculous pay rise your union told you you’d get and meanwhile those of us in the private sector funded decades of privilege we didn’t have a prayer of ever getting! The last Labour government left us bankrupt…. Oh and don’t get me started on Mr Starmer who couldn’t decide if the definition of a woman was someone who was born with a womb or not until the CASS report was published 🤣🤣🤣

The last Labour government did not leave us bankrupt. Figures show that borrowing under Labour is actually always less than under the conservatives.

the worst strike in history was under Thatcher …. you remember, that CONSERVATIVE pm so I don’t think strikes are a Labour issue.

under the last labour government, the education system was better funded, mental health services were better funded (there’s you reason for the increase in pip payments for mental health rises - no mental health services) and the NHS waiting lists were a fraction of what they are now.

RemarkablyBrightCreature · 08/05/2024 07:57

Chausson · 04/05/2024 08:47

If you think any politician has morals you need to reevaluate your cognitive thinking skills.

What an utterly ridiculous statement. Please don’t perpetuate the myth that they are all like the cesspit on the Tory benches as it simply isn’t true.

RemarkablyBrightCreature · 08/05/2024 08:01

Kandalama · 07/05/2024 22:10

It’s a huge worry.
Why stay and be abused. Not just financially in terms of tax but constantly vilified in the papers and the population in general.
Yes I think a lot will leave, there are countries that appreciate their financial worth.

The UK and labour certainly don’t.
Cutting their nose off to spite their face.

So we’re supposed to let the rich just constantly fuck us over in case they might leave the country? Jesus what a tragic state of affairs, that the wealthiest can just hold us hostage. Appalling. What utter wankers they must be to care so little about others.

EasternStandard · 08/05/2024 08:05

Kandalama · 07/05/2024 22:10

It’s a huge worry.
Why stay and be abused. Not just financially in terms of tax but constantly vilified in the papers and the population in general.
Yes I think a lot will leave, there are countries that appreciate their financial worth.

The UK and labour certainly don’t.
Cutting their nose off to spite their face.

We’ll see how it pans out but I do think Blair avoided this kind of rhetoric and policy, he knew you had to keep them onside to pay for stuff

As for the op everyone gets their vote not someone else’s in addition, democracy and all that

spookehtooth · 08/05/2024 22:55

RemarkablyBrightCreature · 08/05/2024 08:01

So we’re supposed to let the rich just constantly fuck us over in case they might leave the country? Jesus what a tragic state of affairs, that the wealthiest can just hold us hostage. Appalling. What utter wankers they must be to care so little about others.

That comment you referred to reminds me of a statement you hear a lot in football "Nobody is bigger than the club". I think that applies to rich individuals vs nation states or big businesses as much as a football. Many (not all) survive on their privileged connections and just like football some thrive at the expense of their nation rather than to its overall benefit in the same way some great footballers have been shown to have a detrimental effect on the team as a whole

I strongly believe that the capitalist system harbors a large number of such parasites

Trezo · 11/05/2024 20:42

I am voting Greens or Independents as KS is the Tory B team. Removed anyone from the left who would have better polices for the people. Greens and Independents will hold ks to account in government.

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