Why its common sense not to vote conserative at the next general election

[JessieZoo]

5 leaders in 14 years The new one is as bad as the old one when you point out that there are still problems they get defensive instead of admitting failures here and there. Thats more than enough time, and so-called leaders let someone else have a turn with different morals and thinking!.

It's always the labour supporters that are telling us who to vote for.
But giving no reasons why.
You do you and l will continue to vote Conservative .

Well that's reasonable if you don't need to use any public services and can pay for everything privately I suppose.

You realise that the people who can do this, are the same people who are additional rate taxpayers, and are consequently contributing much more than most to public services?

No idea what Labour are offering.

They don’t support womens rights and are in favour of us losing all single sex toilets, rape centres and changing facilities and calling out anyone that questions it. Including bullying their own MPs ….so crap then

Their tax on school fees doesn’t stack up financially and they seem unable to get any figures out to the electorate that proves it will. So far economists are seeing it as a negative money pit…..so crap then.

Im a traditional Labour voter, now a floating voter. I’ll vote for someone that doesn’t give Taxpayers money away out of spite and supports my rights as a women.

That’s rude.!

Main problem now is that they seem to be almost all 'career politicians'. Public school, Oxbridge, private secretary, safe seat... No real view of life whatsoever

You realise that the people who can do this, are the same people who are additional rate taxpayers, and are consequently contributing much more than most to public services?

Yes but there are very few people who put in more than they take out. It's fair enough for people to vote for their own interests if that is you.

But here's the thing, most people who've been voting the Tories in for the last 14 years do use state schools and the NHS and can't afford private health care.

So, someone who voted Tory before who now has aggressive breast cancer which they are having to wait for treatment for may certainly be rethinking their choice this time. Because that's what's happening to people.

Higher rate tax payers may pay more tax but that tax is not being spent on the NHS any more. This is a disaster for the vast majority of us.

Agree
With only 30% of tax payers as a net worth ie paying in more than they take out A lots going on UC and PIP and claims are set to rise exponentially over the coming years…..that’s a fact whether we like it or not
Can labour deal that blow to the electorate, can they reduce benefits if that what’s needed……
If we keep hitting the 30% they’ll go elsewhere…….just like the nomdoms with their businesses and jobs.

Im not sure Labour have the balls at the moment…….

How can it all be going on benefits? It certainly isn't imo. The Tories have cut benefits to the bone and there is a benefit cap as well as a two child cap. They also cut local housing allowance so that if you lived in London, or an area where rent was more than 'average' you'd have to move out because they will not pay London housing rates. At the time, people referred to this as 'social cleansing'. There were people who had lived in London all their lives, now having to move away from their families and support networks because they could only now get 20% of their rent paid,

PIP is almost impossible to get without a tribunal. It became harder to get when the Tories got in because it uses a different assessment tool which basically ignores hidden disabilities and refuses to recognise them.

Remember also the bedroom tax?

People have short memories.

The Tories hate us. They have always hated us, but society has shifted somewhat over the past couple of decades, and from Cameron onwards the curtain was pulled back and the full extent of it gradually became obvious. Johnson hated us with spirit!

It's always been the better choice not to vote Tory, and to be really honest I struggle with who I will vote for because I don't see any great options, but I would never, ever vote Tory out of self respect as much as anything.

Go find an alley cat, get it out there for us to vote on and I'll vote for it. Call it
Non of the above, nota for short.

There really is no one to vote for. Not a single party stands out as voteable, which is criminal.

Johnson hated us with spirit!

Absolute sociopath of a man. He was rumoured to have said that he didn't care how many people died from Covid as long as we didn't need to have lockdowns.

I hate these 'if U vote TORY U R a cvnt' type of threads, but in this instance, I do think anyone who votes for the Conservatives in the next election is absolutely bonkers. The Tories really, truly DO need to go.

Who to vote for though? Politically homeless here. I only know I am NOT voting for the Conservatives! Do I vote LibDem? Will that split the votes if too many vote LibDem, and result in a Conservative win?!

I am really struggling! 😖

It does seem that most people are planning to vote against a party (conservative) rather than for labour because they actually support their policies.
My worst fear would be a hung parliament with some bonkers minority party holding balance of power.

Labour will need at least two terms to sort out the absolute mess they're going to inherit from the Tories.

Unfortunately, a significant portion of the British voting population are as thick as pigshit, so when things don't improve overnight the media will be after Starmer's blood, and these very same dullards will be back voting Tory as soon as they can.

Yes this is exactly how I feel. I think a hung parliament is a real possibility. Lots of voters won't have the nerve to vote labour at the last minute.

There's no poll that's predicting a hung parliament. I really don't think you need to worry. Even dyed-in-the-wool Tory voters are saying they can't vote for this shower, and their votes won't go to the Greens

However much tax you pay you can't get a private fire engine to come to your house if it's on fire. There's no private ambulance to rush you to hospital after a road accident. You're in the queue with everyone else and travelling on the same potholed roads going to the same crumbling A&E unit.

We all rely on public services to some extent and their decline is a serious problem.

Steady on, I don't think I'm that bad. There's been worse.😕

It's not easy you know, juggling multiple houses, a helicopter and lots of other things. Those red boxes, for instance, I have to rummage through them EVERY night.

You've probably see 'Yes, Prime Minister' well.I can tell you that is actually a documentary!

I am just so fed up with all politicians to be honest. The lack of integrity and the lack of a consistent opinion is a massive issue for me.

i voted labour in our local council election because I really like our local (Labour) councillor. He is really great, care a lot about local issues and is even on a local WhatsApp group. Luckily he got in again. The local Tory candidates are hopeless.

I am just not sure about what any of the main parties stand for anymore. And I struggle to find any consistent views. It is like they all get their policy ideas from social media (whereas they in private have completely different views). Hypocrites all of them.

I think the issue is many more claimants and many more predicted …mental health etc.
UC top ups whilst helping everyone are expensive and businesses rely on top ups to not bother paying a decent salary

etc etc etc.

Current and predicted bill for both of these are untenable in the long run especially with many top top tax payers leaving and other middle/ high taxpayers likely to reduce hours as they move their kids to state after school tax fee increases.

Labour needs to find a way to make money without loosing the top 30% taxpayers.

Yay! Let’s go back to the ‘good old days’ where the unions had the country by it’s balls and if you worked in the public sector in any capacity you were made for life with guaranteed pensions and the right to strike for any ridiculous pay rise your union told you you’d get and meanwhile those of us in the private sector funded decades of privilege we didn’t have a prayer of ever getting! The last Labour government left us bankrupt…. Oh and don’t get me started on Mr Starmer who couldn’t decide if the definition of a woman was someone who was born with a womb or not until the CASS report was published 🤣🤣🤣

Yep
Private sector worker here too.
Amazing how some conveniently forget the shit we went through not that long ago.
I thought Starmers problems were with understanding what willies are ! And of course thinking the word cervix will put people off their breakfast 🤢

To be honest, I worry also about losing the top 1% … a third of the total tax intake according to the guardian - and probably very mobile ☹️

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/13/richest-britain-income-tax-revenues-institute-fiscal-studies