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So shocked and grieved to hear about Alexei Navalny's death.

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MsAmerica · 18/02/2024 23:46

I think this the the most upset I've ever been about anything comparable internationally. I just can't believe it. Even though there's really nothing to be surprised about, since Putin has been wanting him dead for years.

In case anyone is interested, there's the documentary:

Navalny
https://edition.cnn.com/shows/navalny-cnn-film

'Navalny': How to watch the Oscar-winning documentary about the late Putin critic
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-documentary-watch/72627657007/

Navalny: The documentary that’s become even more essential following the activist’s death
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/alexei-navalny-death-russia-documentary-b2497547.html

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Acapulco12 · 04/03/2024 11:13

dubsie · 04/03/2024 10:56

Stop pretending this man was an angel, he's an American stooge and that's why he was killed. Stop meddling in foreign affairs and this will stop happening.

We are pushing ourselves into a larger conflict and that is something that should be avoided at all costs.

It's time to accept the Ukraine must give up territory and we must stop supporting this war and move towards a peaceful compromise.

We must prepare ourselves for the reality. Trump is going to be the next president and that for sure will end the support for the Ukraine and NATO....it's time to face the reality.

I completely disagree that he was an ‘American stooge’. Yes, America (Biden’s govnerment) supported his actions, but he and his supporters acted independently and was not ordered by America to do anything. Also, he has criticised the decisions made by Trump during his presidency on many occasions. Can you please explain why you think he was an American stooge?

I agree he was ‘no angel’ in terms of some of the views he held, but that’s absolutely not why he was killed.

Also, what sort of peaceful compromise do you suggest moving towards for the war in Ukraine?

dubsie · 05/03/2024 08:47

When an opposition leader received the financial backing from foreign interests....that's what was happening. The same way Russia meddles with our democracy...it's not acceptable.

We've been at war with Russia for longer than you think and results are impacting all of us.

My idea of a compromise is to draw the line on occupied territories and get Russia to accept NATO expansion....do you see that actually strengthens the Ukraine and allows Russia to stop the war without looking like it's lost

The war stops completely no border clashes and in the end Putin will fail anyway...
His dreams are doomed regardless it will just take longer than a war.

We really should turn our focus to strengthening our own beliefs and values wipe out the idea that we are better off without NATO

ComingUpTrumps · 05/03/2024 09:38

dubsie · 05/03/2024 08:47

When an opposition leader received the financial backing from foreign interests....that's what was happening. The same way Russia meddles with our democracy...it's not acceptable.

We've been at war with Russia for longer than you think and results are impacting all of us.

My idea of a compromise is to draw the line on occupied territories and get Russia to accept NATO expansion....do you see that actually strengthens the Ukraine and allows Russia to stop the war without looking like it's lost

The war stops completely no border clashes and in the end Putin will fail anyway...
His dreams are doomed regardless it will just take longer than a war.

We really should turn our focus to strengthening our own beliefs and values wipe out the idea that we are better off without NATO

When an opposition leader received the financial backing from foreign interests....that's what was happening. The same way Russia meddles with our democracy...it's not acceptable.

I understand this and can see where you’re coming from, because Navalny himself said on his Instagram account that he received funding from a Russian businessman. He is transparent about this on his instagram and names the businessman and how much he has given him in funding whilst he was in Germany. So yes, I accept that Navalny was receiving financial backing from a Russian businessman based abroad who supported what he was trying to do. This funding was used to pay for things like the fees for his hospital treatment in Germany after he was poisoned, for instance.

However, Navalny’s ultimate goal was to create a democratic society in Russia that had free and open elections and that was free from corruption. I think that this is a very important and laudable goal because this will help all of Russia’s citizens and so it’s a very positive thing to try to achieve.

Conversely, Russia meddling in our democracy (as you mention here) is unacceptable because, ultimately, their goal is to do that to undermine democracy, create division and use that to benefit themselves and increase their power. Given this, I don’t think it’s appropriate to compare what Navalny was trying to do in Russia with what Russia is trying to do in other countries.

Also, a separate point, and I still need to learn much more about this to try and understand it more, but I don’t think Russia will ever accept NATO expansion - not while Putin is in power. I think that’s one of the reasons why Putin started this war with Ukraine.

MsAmerica · 12/03/2024 01:22

dubsie · 25/02/2024 11:08

If the west tries to infiltrate Russian political system and install leaders those who are involved will be hunted down and removed.

This man is a western stooge and our attempts to remove Putin have failed. We may not like Putin but the reality is it's none of our business.

We are happy to take Russian money and oil but not so keen to accept their politics. Double standards and screams of hypocrisy...what gives us the right to demand democracy to a foreign state .... nothing ...

I'm afraid there's plenty of really nasty leaders out there ..more bad than good to be honest and I find myself just accepting that and simply expecting that our own elected government simply has nothing to do with them ...and to behave like a democracy.... unfortunately neither is true

The west isn't trying t "infiltrate" Russia's political system. The west is trying to support attempts toward democracy in any authoritarian system.

However, Russia is trying to undermine western countries via disinformation and such.

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MsAmerica · 12/03/2024 01:24

dustcollective · 19/02/2024 13:25

I'm also worried Zelenskyy will be next. Putin would obviously poison him if he could get access, has probably tried and failed to assassinate him and seems emboldened by his recent "successes". Zelensky travels everywhere and can't be kept safe 100%.

Congress needs to sort itself out and get that funding to Ukraine.

I've been thinking that if anyone would have prodded me to bet, I was sure that Navalny would outlive Zelensky.

:(

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Acapulco12 · 15/03/2024 14:18

MsAmerica · 12/03/2024 01:22

The west isn't trying t "infiltrate" Russia's political system. The west is trying to support attempts toward democracy in any authoritarian system.

However, Russia is trying to undermine western countries via disinformation and such.

I agree with this.

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