So shocked and grieved to hear about Alexei Navalny's death.

[MsAmerica]

I think this the the most upset I've ever been about anything comparable internationally. I just can't believe it. Even though there's really nothing to be surprised about, since Putin has been wanting him dead for years.

In case anyone is interested, there's the documentary:

Navalny
https://edition.cnn.com/shows/navalny-cnn-film

'Navalny': How to watch the Oscar-winning documentary about the late Putin critic
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-documentary-watch/72627657007/

Navalny: The documentary that’s become even more essential following the activist’s death
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/alexei-navalny-death-russia-documentary-b2497547.html

Imagine what people must think of Putin.

Imagine what people must think of Putin.

This is such a strange reply.

I heard about this but haven’t found a lot of info on it

Interesting

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56181084.amp

You were talking about people who Navalny had in the past "called for the eradication of". Guess what, Putin actually has eradicated people. I doubt their families think very highly of him.

Not strange at all.

Interestingly, they stripped him of it two years ago and then reinstated it.

* Not strange at all*

Of course it is. You're actually talking as Navalny was in any way shape or form a good person.

The only difference between him and Putin is that Putin has power.

What do you think a white nationalist that has called for the extermination of certain people would do if he actually had power?

Even if he wasn't a perfect character, he took a stand against an incredibly evil dictator (he even went back to Russia having already been poisoned once) and I think because of that, he should be respected and honoured for the extent of the bravery of him and his family.

It's almost as though those criticising him believe he should only have been honoured if he was perfect. Ok he didn't always behave perfectly but his level of bravery in seeking a freer country and being prepared to die for it, supersedes all of this.

It's almost as though those criticising him believe he should only have been honoured if he was perfect. Ok he didn't always behave perfectly but his level of bravery in seeking a freer country and being prepared to die for it, supersedes all of this

Freer country for which people though?

My family included those that this man wanted to exterminate , never will I ever think such a man should be honored.

JFC. MN has gone utterly bonkers.

@Hermittrismegistus what do you think of Putin then? Are you happy with him in power, do you believe he's the better of the two?

Apparently it's only a bad thing to murder him if he was a good guy.

Nobody should be bothered if Putin poisons, imprisons and then eventually murders somebody if they're not such a great person themselves.

Bonkers indeed.

I don't think I'll be dignifying your question with a response.

Well, that's a complete work of fiction on your part isn't it!

@Hermittrismegistus but then you did decide to reply 😂

I'm not ignoring that there have been incidents of behaviour / comments which are not acceptable but I also think he did not deserve to be murdered which it is likely he was. By 'cancelling' him you might as well say he deserved what he got, which is very wrong in my opinion.

Also, Nalvany actually volunteered to go back to Russia after recovering from being poisoned and I think objectively that's very brave. More brave then most criticising him.

In addition, I think we should acknowledge that Putin considered Nalvany had such an impact or was going to be such a 'problem' he needed to be removed that means by default things potentially could have changed.

I'm leaving this thread. I knew MN had a racism problem but to see people honour and applauded a racist that would happily have exterminated (murdered) my family just blows my mind.

What I'm sad about here is that someone has been murdered by the state for expressing their opinion. The significance of that cannot be ignored.

Everyone here is getting wrapped up in the who and not the what.

Agreed

He was killed because he lost the power struggle with putin.

Yes. Nobody on here has said they agree with all of his views.

Ah did they!

If the west tries to infiltrate Russian political system and install leaders those who are involved will be hunted down and removed.

This man is a western stooge and our attempts to remove Putin have failed. We may not like Putin but the reality is it's none of our business.

We are happy to take Russian money and oil but not so keen to accept their politics. Double standards and screams of hypocrisy...what gives us the right to demand democracy to a foreign state .... nothing ...

I'm afraid there's plenty of really nasty leaders out there ..more bad than good to be honest and I find myself just accepting that and simply expecting that our own elected government simply has nothing to do with them ...and to behave like a democracy.... unfortunately neither is true

We don’t want Russian money. We gave Russians opportunities to invest if they wanted to. Now we don’t want their investment. We would rather not have their gas either. We are a democracy though - definitely. That’s not the same as disliking what elected members do! Russia is stuck with Putin and the Russian psyche is to think everyone is against them and the majority support Putin who they see as strong and acting in their interests.

I have read a lot about Navalny’s views on immigration, and I accept that they are unpleasant and not acceptable.

However, we should remember that Russian society is very, very different to European and US society, and their cultural beliefs are different. Therefore, Navalny’s views will be different to ours, and we might not ever be able to accept or agree with them.

Also, it’s important to understand that Navalny was a political figure who eventually hoped to get Russian people’s votes and to win elections. To do this, of course he’d have to appeal to people, and presumably lots of these people share these views he mentions - even though we don’t like those views and we find them unacceptable.

I’m not at all trying to justify or defend his views by saying this. I’m just pointing out that some of (if not many of) the people whose votes he would want to get as an aspiring political candidate would have these views and he would want to be able to connect with them.

Me too

Stop pretending this man was an angel, he's an American stooge and that's why he was killed. Stop meddling in foreign affairs and this will stop happening.

We are pushing ourselves into a larger conflict and that is something that should be avoided at all costs.

It's time to accept the Ukraine must give up territory and we must stop supporting this war and move towards a peaceful compromise.

We must prepare ourselves for the reality. Trump is going to be the next president and that for sure will end the support for the Ukraine and NATO....it's time to face the reality.