Are you proud that we are standing by Ukraine?

[summersbysea]

We had buntings, bake sale and even traditional Ukrainian foods cooked and laid out tables and welcomed some of the families that have moved into our estate.
Even though many of us don't have much and I'm a struggling single mum we still did our best and everyone loved it.
In this neighborhood we look after each other if someones kid goes missing, finances low, house fire anything. Like I could go to any neighbours house and they'll give me a meal no question asked.
You don't get this anymore. This community.

I understand what it's all for an old neighbour was telling us all that it's like Hitler again and we need to stop Putin even though we are paying higher prices. because if ignored it will bombs falling on our cities next.
Are you proud that we've stepped up ?
(Ps- met a real cute Ukrainian fittie at our street party) so was a bonus lol 😁 I defo gonna follow him up for a drink

Ukraine are fighting everyone in Europe’s and most countries beyond war against Putin.

In my opinion Putin is every bit as dangerous as Hitler, a tyrant who answers to no one and has a tenuous grip on reality and rather than not learn for the mistakes of appeasing Hitler at the early stages of WWII most of the rest of the world had gone to bat for Ukraine against a very dangerous Russia.

I think it is absolutely the right thing for the rest of the world to stand by Ukraine as they take the brunt of what is going on.

Yeah I totally get it, I know it's hard and people moan and complain but some people don't understand what'll happen if we did nothing. I'm a single mum to two little kids and we can't even go for a holiday here in the UK this year ! I've cut back on lots of stuff like everyone else.

I'm no history buff but I get the Hitler part. He'll just take one country after another.
Hopefully he'll have a fall and we'll make peace again.
Their such lovely people these Ukrainian that have moved over and we all love them to bits. I invite some of them in and we've shared recipes, meals and pointed them to some English classes in the area.. their English needs help tbh
They'll mix in really well with us here. But I guess home is home and I bet they miss their own country. Screw Putin

Was the cute Ukranian at your street party a refugee? I thought men between 18 and 60 had to stay in Ukraine.

He's been here before it all started

Yes, I am proud. We (NATO, EU and US) need to keep supplying Ukraine with as many weapons as they need.

It's a once in a century chance to smash the Russian Army, especially now they have been shown up to be totally inferior.

I know it sounds bad but its better to have the fight in Ukraine, rather than caving into Putins pathetic threats and having the Russian Army massing on the beaches at Calais in 5 or 10 years time. I really hope that when this is over, we help the Ukrainians to rebuild everything that the Russian scumbags have destroyed.

As I have mentioned on another thread, Boris may have his faults but the way he has behaved towards Ukraine does him credit and I am glad that he has really got up Putins nose. I hope he stays on because much of the cost of living crisis is due to the Ukraine situation and there are a few times when the global issues are more important that the domestic ones. I believe this is one of them and I cannot see Kier Starmer stepping up on this at all.

Totally agree but I think most Russian are decent people like the other Europeans and it's just Putin that's doing this

Yeh so what if Boris had a few parties can anyone blame him ? Look at the other stuff like benefits and eat out scheme.
This is all Putin's doing

Eh?

I meant he's getting crucified for having lockdown parties. So what if he let his hair down and had a few drinks
Look at his actions than some silly party that doesn't matter now

Yes and I haven't been proud of the uk for a while but I'm proud of that.

We are not doing anything at all
The only weapons we have supplied is a few DEFENSIVE weapons not ATTACKING weapons such as planes tanks missiles etc to take the fight to Russia itself which would perhaps make Putin think and turn public opinion
As for a once in a century chance to deal with the Russian army we are doing nothing
It is the Ukrainians who are doing the fighting not us
We are just watching
And they will eventually lose
Ukraine has complained at the lack of weapons and training we have given
Putting up a few flags and sending a few £ makes no difference to the people of Ukraine
It has not stopped the Russian army and air force killing them
Worthless virtue signalling
It is like being beaten up in a pub and then after you are battered people saying " that was very bad we are very sorry"
They stood by and did nothing
Same as the west
Putin knows the west is weak and has no balls and will not get involved

This pub comment had me in stitches 🤣
I'm no military person but I reckon a draft like ww1 would sort out some these young hoodlums in my area.
In the summer hols always on their scooters getting on pavements and causing havoc

No, I'm not proud that my bent, lazy, philandering PM, having spent the past 20 years selling my capital city to Russian oligarchs, is now off-loading all our old bits of war kit to a Ukrainian oligarch.

I can only assume that anyone who is proud of what's happening has no understanding of Ukraine whatsoever.

It's just realpolitik - NATO represents imperialist USA and hangers on like Britain who see their power in the world potentially threatened by imperialist Russia. I oppose imperialism in principle so don't see one set of imperialists as particularly better or more worthy of "pride" than the other. (Having said that, I don't oppose the war either as there is no moral or legal justification for it and there's no reason the Ukrainians should have to suffer).

So no I'm not particularly proud. If UK foreign policy was based on anything to be proud of our actions vis a vis Iraq or Saudi Arabia would be very different.

Is this thread for real? We are sleepwalking to WW3 and the world is burning and I'm scared red lines are being reached and crossed. This is the sort of propaganda Russians are watching and believing in where is the hope?

[I meant to say I don't support the war, not that I don't oppose it.]

@summersbysea

I "meant he's getting crucified for having lockdown parties. So what if he let his hair down and had a few drinks
Look at his actions than some silly party that doesn't matter now"

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Except it's a bit more than lying about "having lock down parties" and "letting his hair down and had a few drinks".

Perhaps your simplistic view of Boris and failure to look at all the evidence also extends to a simplistic view of the complex but much more dangerous situation in Ukraine.

If you put Ukraine, China, accelerating climate change and the rise of European fascism and the likelihood of a Trump win into the mix the outlook has never looked worse for the world at least in my 61 years sadly. Ukrainian leaders keep saying we are in WW3 but 'we' don't realise it yet. Bleak.

I hope that everyone who is proud will stay proud, and resolute, even if the world starts to feel the pinch of repercussions with shortages of food and fuel, and escalating into a broader war.

Did you have bake sales during the Iraq war OP to help those displaced from their homes? I doubt it.

No I'm not proud. The government tells us who to care about and when. War is not new, it might be new in Europe but it is not new in other countries.

All my support is with the Ukrainian people, but for me all of these leaders including Zelensky another story. All this nonsense about pride is just another war banging technique from the government. Doing your bit by starving and freezing to death this winter.

No because our actions are just prolonging a conflict which will likely increase more deplaned people and lead to food and fuel shortages which could have lethal consequences.

This thread is absolute cringe. Well said Celia24. This thread is so obviously a Tory party propaganda thread . People have had enough. We are expected to freeze to death

No, you're not expected to freeze to death.

You're expected to stand up for independence and democracy, and stand against an authoritarian country that wants to threaten the rest of the world.

@MsAmerica

"No, you're not expected to freeze to death.

You're expected to stand up for independence and democracy, and stand against an authoritarian country that wants to threaten the rest of the world."

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Except that it is highly likely that there will be excess deaths this winter in the UK as a result of unaffordable energy costs and more people living in cold and damp housing. Yes as Boris said people in Ukraine will be paying for the fight against Russia with their lives but so will the poor and vulnerable in the UK.

Except that the UK and the West only seem to stand to for independence and democracy when it suits them. For example where is the solidarity against authoritarian regimes for Tibet over China, where is the solidarity for Yemen with Saudi. And you could argue why is the Conservative Government refusing the democratic wish by Scotland for a second referendum on independence?

Lastly after the military mauling Russia has received in Ukraine it is in no position to attack another country especially if it is a member of NATO.
As for threatening the rest of the world? This is pure Cold War myth, Russia wants and has always wanted to protect its borders in this case by creating a compliant buffer state in Ukraine.

How long should the destruction, loss of life and economic pain Ukraine go on for - 2 years, 5 years, 10 years? Also NATO is starting to run out of military supplies (ammunition) it can give Ukraine without going on a full war economy.

A peace deal could be done tomorrow with Putin where he gets to keep Crimea and organise a referendum overseen by international observers in Donbas and Luhansk. Areas that Russia de facto controlled before the war. But there is no way Zelensky would agree to this whilst he has the military support of the West.

I agree it is morally repugnant to throw Ukraine under a bus but the real politik of the war in Ukraine is that every day it goes on every the West is economically weakened ,China (which is the real threat to world order) gets economically and militarily stronger and most importantly more lives are lost in both the West, Ukraine and Russia,

@1dayatatime I agree totally with what you say. We in the UK or Europe are at no risk from a Russia that has fatally showed their hand that they can't even win in Ukraine but they can have a good chance of pushing western countries into economic chaos and driving an authoritarian alliance even closer. All we are doing now is prolonging a war that will continue to smash Ukraine and our economies with no off ramp. Increasingly hearing this from friends and family as well.