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DustyDiamond · 31/01/2020 21:11

Shiny new thread 😍😍

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A non-partisan politics pub-thread for varied political chit-chat & other such stuff

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AutumnRose1 · 01/02/2020 23:46

*being

SingingLily · 01/02/2020 23:47

Both green and lethal, Autumn, perfect combination!

Anyway, is it too early for a tune from Tiffany?

SingingLily · 01/02/2020 23:48

Autumn, you can't do that - a one liner. We need more info!

WeSavedSallySally · 01/02/2020 23:50

Oh no, what happened autumn!

Bloody hope so singing.

EpicIndividual · 01/02/2020 23:50

Well, I’ve never been a Nige Cheerleader, but I can’t deny his part in all this and how much amusement it would give me to see him take the leave fight elsewhere. I have no rational explanation for it, just that I would genuinely find it hilarious. Grin

#NaughtyEpic

SingingLily · 01/02/2020 23:53

For the EU, it would be the equivalent of Johnny in The Shining

"Here's Nigel"...

EpicIndividual · 01/02/2020 23:54

@DustyDiamond Lily just came up with the best NigeMeme material! 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

SilverySurfer · 01/02/2020 23:56

Nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit or politics, I watched a bit of Funniest Ever TV Cockups on channel 5. Some people's ignorance is astounding. On the Weakest Link a contestant was asked 'What T was used by prisoners to escape from prisoner of war camps?' (obviously tunnel). Bloke said: Herbal tea? When confronted later about his ridiculous answer he explained it away by saying 'I never studied geography at school.' Grin

WeSavedSallySally · 01/02/2020 23:56

Epic same here.

I've just become more and more grateful to him as times gone on and we wouldn't have brexit without him.

He has whipped up supporters to put pressure on government every single time.
This is something else that has always astonished me. I've voted tactically for years now. And yet when Remainers had the chance.. They never have!
He's been the fourth column putting that pressure on... And I'm grateful to him for committing to keep up the pressure if something goes awry with this deal.

SingingLily · 01/02/2020 23:56

Stop making me laugh!

Mr Lily is asleep. I daren't wake him up. He thinks I spend too much time in here as it is.

It's Boris Actually, all over again Grin

MarySidney · 01/02/2020 23:56

David Starkey is another historian aghast at recent events.

Finally something I can agree with Starkey on.

He was incredibly rude, on tv, to Philippa Langley, the woman involved in the discovery of Richard III's remains.

WeSavedSallySally · 01/02/2020 23:58

Love it lily Grin

AutumnRose1 · 01/02/2020 23:59

Re Starkey, all I’ll say is that it was at uni.

Song variation - but the principle is sound

AutumnRose1 · 02/02/2020 00:00

Mary “ He was incredibly rude, on tv, to Philippa Langley, the woman involved in the discovery of Richard III's remains.”

He was, I remember that too.

WeSavedSallySally · 02/02/2020 00:01

Really Mary! I know he's controversial but I don't know why.

I've really enjoyed his brexit related articles, putting the legal stuff in perspective, courts, Parliament... So many prominent people have history degrees.

My Mil said it was a useless degree.

SingingLily · 02/02/2020 00:01

Thank you, Autumn, perfect.

WeSavedSallySally · 02/02/2020 00:01

So many right now I mean have history related degrees

Arseaboutdarkly · 02/02/2020 01:05

Boris won't give up the fishermen, Sally. It's a symbolic thing. The EU know that, that's partly why they're trying to prise our fishing waters from us (as well as the fact they are lucrative). Boris knows it too. He's playing hardball. Sovereignty comes first.

Where is the evidence that Sovereignty comes first with 'Boris'? 'Boris' comes first with 'Boris' as everyone knows - not family, not country, not party - just 'Boris'. If he needs to sell out the fishers he'll sell them out no question and blame it on the EU

Miljea · 02/02/2020 01:35

Them fishing rights have been long sold.
Can I be helpful and direct you towards the button? As, given the scramble to delete anyone who disagrees on this thread, and the MN scramble to comply...

Fishing forms like 1% of our economy. Nix.

British fishermen, of the day, gladly sold their quotas to the highest bidder. From wherever. Those bidders made a legal, trade deal that Brexit can't decide to overturn.

The hard work of Brexit begins today. A few actual pissed off fishermen's feelz mean diddly squat.

Sorry to inject fact into your hangovers.

As you were.

AutumnRose1 · 02/02/2020 01:45

Lily forgot to say, I’m sure you’ll do your homework but borax won’t work on all types of mildew, depends what’s causing it.

Good night pub goers x

EpicIndividual · 02/02/2020 01:48

Night Autumn! X

Walkingdeadfangirl · 02/02/2020 02:02

I have never understood why some British people are so ok with just giving away our legal fishing rights to foreign countries. Why?.

On another note, has something with MN changed? I am getting like a dozen emails a day saying "There's been new updates on the AIBU poll". Its very annoying.

SingingLily · 02/02/2020 07:40

Morning, all,

It’s a lazy Sunday morning here in the Arms. The birds are singing and the weather promises to stay dry.

A précis of the news from the Sunday Telegraph about Boris’s private infuriation with the EU follows in the next post. It’s a long read so if you don’t have time, here’s a précis of the précis:

As part of any trade deal, Brussels is now demanding ECJ oversight, compliance with EU rules on employment, taxes, the environment, etc. France is demanding 25 years access to our fishing grounds. Spain is again making demands over Gibraltar. Etc. Etc. None of that was in the Political Declaration agreed in October. None of that is a requirement of any EU trade deal with Canada or Japan or anyone else. These are special demands, just for us.

Boris is having none of it. His red lines (and these include fishing) really are red lines, unlike Theresa’s wishy-washy pink ones that moved with the times. Boris’s political position and mandate from the people are very different. He’s looking at at least ten years in power and that means keeping faith with the new Blue Wall.

Remember that quite unlike Theresa, Boris successfully forced the Withdrawal Agreement to be reopened and inserted the right of the UK to begin negotiating trade deals straight away. Crawford Falconer, our chief negotiator, has been busy. He’s been waiting nearly four years to bring his work to fruition. He has already got trade deals worth 13% of global GDP lined up to be rolled over on 31 December. To put this in perspective, EU share of global GDP is roughly 16% - and declining, according to both the IMF and the ONS.

If the EU still hasn’t grasped that everything has changed (and according to Robbie Gibb, they really really haven’t grasped the political sea change in the UK and believe the same old strategy that worked with Theresa will work with Boris) they are about to find out. The IMF believes the UK economy will outperform Germany and France this year as the eurozone continues to struggle. If the UK does not get a deal with the EU, it will be a headache for us but it will be the migraine from hell for Ireland and for the German car industry.

Today’s complimentary breakfast is a full English. Well, it’s Sunday. Please help yourselves.

Kettle’s on ☕️☕️☕️

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SingingLily · 02/02/2020 07:43

From Christopher Hope, Chief Political Editor

Boris Johnson has become "privately infuriated" with what he sees as the EU's attempts to frustrate a comprehensive free trade deal, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal. The Prime Minister believes Brussels has unilaterally been "changing the terms" of the deal they both agreed last year in which both sides set out to work towards an ambitious and deep trade agreement.

Mr Johnson is expected to make clear that now Brexit is over, the UK expects "to be treated as equals" and as a "fully independent" country.

He will make clear that the UK's "approach to a free trade deal will not be bound by our previous obligations... nor will we agree to obligations which the EU has not required of other countries which it has signed comparable free trade deals with".

As a result the UK is no longer wedded to a Canada-style agreement, in what would be a major hardening in the Government's Brexit strategy. Downing Street negotiators are now willing to pursue a much "looser" trade deal while simultaneously signing agreements with countries that make up 13 per cent of the world's GDP.

A government source said: "There are only two likely outcomes in negotiation - a free trade deal like Canada or a looser arrangement like Australia - and we are happy to pursue both.”

An Australian-type deal would allow both sides to cherry pick which areas of the economy they can agree on, and leave the rest to World Trade Organisation rules.

Mr Johnson will stress that his chief negotiator, David Frost, and his team "are aiming to secure an agreement at least as ambitious as Canada’s deal with the EU. However they have been privately infuriated by the EU changing the terms of the deal".

In a speech to business leaders, ambassadors and think tank representatives in London, he will say the UK must be treated as an "equal" and make clear there will be "no alignment, no jurisdiction of the European courts, and no concessions" with Brussels.

From Christopher Hope, Chief Political Editor

In a week when the UK formally begins talks at the WTO in its own right, the Sunday Telegraph has learned Mr Johnson has a two year plan to sign global deals to give the UK access to markets worth trillions of pounds by the end of next year.

A trade deal is ear-marked to be agreed with Japan by Christmas followed by more agreements with Australia and New Zealand in the middle of next year.

The ultimate aim is for the UK to accede to membership of the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPPP_) - a group of 11 nations including Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Singapore, the third largest free-trade area after North America and the EU.

Crawford Falconer, the UK's lead trade negotiator, has already amassed a team of 700 lawyers and experts at the Department for International Trade, with £110billion-worth of trade deals ready to be rolled over when the UK exits the implementation period on Dec 31 this year.

Separately The Sunday Telegraph can disclose:
• Ministers are planning a trip to Japan this spring in a bid to accelerate talks on a trade deal with Japan which promised yesterday to "work promptly" towards "a new economic partnership between the countries;
• Britain wants to publish a draft UK-EU trade deal before Brussels finalises its negotiations on the future relationship at the end of this month to steal the initiative in the trade talks;

Mr Johnson will say that the National Health Service will not be sold off in any trade deal and he will not relax standards on food hygiene, workers' rights or environmental protections.

From Peter Foster, Europe Editor

Boris Johnson is preparing to impose full customs and border checks on all European goods entering the UK after Brexit, in a ramping-up of pressure for the forthcoming UK/EU talks.

In a radical departure from pre-election ‘no deal’ planning that prioritised the smooth flow of goods into the UK from Europe, Whitehall has told departments to prepare for imposing the full panoply of checks on EU imports to the UK.
The toughened approach is designed to give UK negotiators greater leverage against Brussels

Preparations for the new EU-UK trading relationship are now poised to shift into a radically higher gear, The Telegraph has learned, in a move that will shock many businesses, including hauliers, logistics companies and supermarket chains.

“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”

From Liam Halligan, Business Section

As the fog of uncertainty lifts, the economy just recorded its best month in over a year. Confidence among manufacturers saw its sharpest rise on record in December. Employers took on more staff and consumer confidence also picked up. Now the political hard yards have been won, and everyone knows which way the wind is blowing, business leaders are admitting that Brexit, after all, “is a plus for the UK economy”.

Investors big and small have been constrained by political shenanigans, frozen by uncertainty, for too long. The juices of our commercial classes are now stirring, our entrepreneurial blood is up. Global business leaders, eyeing UK-based opportunities hungrily, are shifting cash in our direction, sensing that legendary British ability to invent, innovate and generate wealth is a very long way from over.

We’re set to expand 1.4pc this year - faster than Germany, France and the Eurozone. A new chapter in the story of these islands is beginning and, as ever, the rest of the world wants some of the upside.

From Sir Bill Cash

Let it be crystal clear that, unlike under the previous administration, Boris Johnson’s government will not capitulate nor is legally bound to capitulate to the terms and conditions set by the European Union as Article 288 of the treaty clearly shows. And we cannot allow the EU to insist that we are unable to benefit from, or be competitive outside the European Union. We must be allowed to diverge as necessary.

ommmward · 02/02/2020 08:34

Oh thank you lily!!! That was good to read 😍

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