People wonder why I would never vote Conservative

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Well, the answer is scumbags like this

https://metro.co.uk/video/tory-cllr-says-people-learning-difficulties-paid-less-2064346/?ito=vjs-link

They stand there and talk like a Nazi, because they don't see anything wrong with it

I'm disgusted.

The problem is that people like her genuinely don't see anything wrong with having an opinion like this.

This government are paying ATOS to strip genuinely disabled people of their benefits and at the same time a disabled person shouldn't expect to be paid fairly. It's despicable.

Absolutely disgusting and classic Tory opinion.

I used to be a Tory Party member, but there is no way I could vote for such an extreme party

What people wonder? I don’t know anyone who would vote Tory.

Me, because the Labour party is intent on dragging us back to the 60s/70s when unions ran everything.

How do you think hospital corridors will look with Labours open to immigration policy?

Everybody will get piles of money thrust at them and then it'll be taken away by inflation.

You'll get a state job, in a state industry, be able to access state goods and services. One power company, one set of prices - set to make power industry workers well off.

How anyone with children can vote Labour is a mystery.

How do you think hospital corridors will look with Labours open to immigration policy?

No idea what this actually means 🤔

All this nonsense about Labour dragging us back in time is pure propaganda.

I'm damned sure anything is better than having a government with fascist opinions that they don't even try to hide.

What cdtaylor means is that with unfettered immigration there will be even more drain on the NHS. Hospital corridors will be full of people waiting for beds. We've paid for the NHS but it can't be available to the whole world to use.

There won't even be any hospital corridors if the Tories get to razor the U.K. to the ground for another 5 years. Unless you yourself use private healthcare, in which case, you're alright Jack. The majority of us do rely on the NHS.

Labour's policy is not "unfettered immigration". Being open to something does not mean "everyone is welcome".

Labour's policy, should we leave the EU, is an immigration system that meets the needs of the economy. Please check facts before posting nonsense.

Oh grow up, what this person says is wrong and disgusting but look at some of the Labour party members' extreme anti-semitic views and disgusting bigotry.

You get unacceptable comments and opinions in any party, its what the leadership does about it that counts (in Jeremy Corbyn's case his inaction has led to investigation by the EHRC, a low-point in British politics).

Even Corbyn's own health secretary today has been recorded saying how he hopes he won't win the election, that members should have kicked him out when they had the chance and that "the civil service machine will have to move quickly to safeguard national security [from him]".

@IsItBetter grow up?

Maybe if you had a disabled child you might not be so bloody rude and dismissive. Unfortunately Attitudes like this are not even considered to be wrong among many Conservative counsellors. I am not saying all of them think like this but the Tories have spent 10 years shitting on disabled and vulnerable people.

Meanwhile we have an openly racist Prime Minister who keeps company with eugenicists like Steve Bannon.

But that's ok, eh?

Jeremy Corbyn is not anti Semitic - that's just tabloid propaganda

I said I thought it was wrong and disgusting, presumably you also agree that what has been happening in the Labour party at its highest levels is disgusting too?

Or perhaps you agree with it?

Even Corbyn's own health secretary today has been recorded saying how he hopes he won't win the election

And John Major who was a Tory Prime Minister is urging people not to vote for the Tories.

Another momentum stooge defending the vile old racist antisemite

Or perhaps you agree with it?

The UK has become generally more racist, bigoted and more intolerant and selfish since the Tories got in 10 years ago.

Labour is not a perfect alternative solution by any means but the last time we had a labour government disabled people were not fair game to be called benefit scroungers.

@shartsi Boris Johnson is openly racist, bigoted and homophobic. And he's currently our Prime Minister.

There is no actual evidence that JC is anti Semitic.

Is there a link to the article she's taking about OP?

I think there's some context missing here. But yes, on the face of it, completely disgusting what this woman is suggesting.

The context was about people who would traditionally be 'unemployable'. People who are not able to perform to the traditional employment standard, who may need supervision to keep them safe.

There is a farm near me where people with learning disabilities work alongside facilitators, in the shop, the cafe, and picking and growing things around the farm. I don't know what they earn, but I'd be surprised if it's the minimum wage because they aren't actually doing a complete job- indeed they need supervision. The enterprise is definitely subsidised by local government. If the wages there go up then it will become unsustainable.

There was a young man with Downs working on the tills in a supermarket where I lived years ago. Without doubt, and quite rightly, he earned a full wage. He was very capable, cheerful, and clearly thoroughly enjoyed his job. Not all people with downs or other learning disabilities are able to function as well.

I'd hate to see my friends children who work on childrens's farm centres and in a bistro lose their jobs because of unthinking regulatory changes.

www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/the-minimum-wage-denies-my-daughter-the-dignity-of-a-paid-job/

The above is the original article which she shared on her Twitter apparently. There isn't much room for her to wriggle out of what she was trying to say as it was filmed by a member of the public who asked her why she was in support of people with learning difficulties being paid less than minimum wage.

You can't pay some people minimum wage and others not. If you employ someone, you don't treat them differently to a NT person because that's discrimination.

To say that people with learning difficulties are fair game to be exploited because 'they' (all lumped together) enjoy working is disgusting.

My partner's best friend has a grown up son with autism. He's a tree surgeon. Lately his dad discovered that he was not being paid at all and had to step in to advocate for him. This sort of thing should not be endorsed by counsellors - they are setting a vile example.

I agree that tree surgeon example is appalling.
I was worried about BiL- he doesn't have a diagnosis, but always seems very vulnerable and didn't have any idea what he was being paid, whether he was taxed/paying NI etc. His situation seems above board, the employer was doing everything correctly even if BiL was clueless.

But what if the person's job doesn't need doing, doesn't generate any income, actually costs more to employ them than to leave the 'work' undone and is essentially therapeutic rather than economic?

I think the rules about workers rights need to be very clear so that vulnerable people are protected and cannot, under any circumstances be taken advantage of by unscrupulous employers. If the government isn't clear about this, it's a downward spiral imo.

I also think you can't justify paying some people less than others unless you reduce all of their living costs and subsidise them before they were going to be paid.

Their housing, food, electricity, gas, travel costs, clothes don't cost less than other people's. Who is going to pay for them? Currently, such an idea is against the law and would leave an employer (rightly) open to being sued in an employment tribunal.