Dead kids in the US - future of the NHS?

[Saltoftheearthmum]

I was in tears earlier today. I saw an article about how so many diabetic kids in the US have died in the last month because their families couldn't afford insulin. It's inhumane that the richest country on earth allows kids and poor people to suffer without proper healthcare coverage.

We now know that Tories plan on giving US pharma access to the NHS if they win this election: are these stories from the US our future? How evil must our government be to risk lives like this? To barter the lives of our kids?!

This is what awaits us if we vote the Tories in again or am I wrong??

I am so, so glad I didn't vote for Brexit or the Tories.

No blood on my hands, none of this mess is my fault.

Are you calling me a liar?

I worked in a specialist transplant centre for many years Tolleshunt hth.

@electricwhisk
No politician from any UK political party has ever suggested replacing the NHS with a US health care model.

Nigel Farage has. I'll see if I can find the clip for you.

I haven’t got further than a few posts but feel the need to point a couple of things out.

UNICEF regards marriage under 18 as child marriage and a violation of human rights

You do know you can get married in the UK at 16.

Also I don’t know anyone who is stockpiling insulin.

Dp is type 1 diabetic and his insulin has been rationed to the point of him having to plead for a prescription when he has had to be away with work for a couple of weeks and his insulin will run out midway through.

As for

All the Conservative voters better hope they never need social care or NHS treatment. You only find out how underfunded they are when you need them. And anyone can end up needing them. Bad luck can come to anyone, no one is invincible

Dp has terminal cancer. Terminal because the wonderful NHS kept telling him that he shouldn’t be scaring himself by consulting Dr Google.

The fact the disease is hereditary and dfil died of it was dismissed

Did this wonderful NHS that everyone wants to keep do anything?

No.

We had to pay for treatment.

We have always had to pay for treatment.

My cousin in Ireland has placed several orders for insulin to ensure they don't run out. Her pharmacist has warned of shortages.

Post Brexit deals with US pharma are going to cost the NHS more money. Services might still be free at point of use but the level at which one qualifies for assistance is going to be raised.

@KenDodd

I think I know the clip you are referring to. I think it dates from 2011. And I am pretty sure that Farage actually suggests an insurance based scheme - NOT a US style scheme. The press spun it as him suggesting an American style system because that kind of alarmist headline gets a reaction. But that is not what he said.

Many EU countries operate compulsory insurance schemes. And as anyone who has lived in eg Germany or Belgium knows these schemes deliver far better health care outcomes than the NHS.

(Not defending Farage in any way btw)

proud of what the conservatives are doing to the country

Seriously and honestly? I kind of understand people voting Tory if that's what they have always done (I am Labour born and bred and understand loyalty) I also get that people might find Corbyn difficult. But. What exactly is there to be proud of in voting Tory? Not being critical or goady just want to know what you are PROUD of?

The idea about the Tories and US Pharma comes from the stolen report Corbyn is waving about where it says drug sales from the US to UK will go from £18 billion to £45 billion.

Now why might this be - since the referendum the scare story is we wont be able to get drugs from the EU - so where might we get them? The USA so if we start importing from the USA the amount will go up.

Countries don't actually buy drugs from countries - Health Authorities negotiate with drug companies to buy them.

American drugs are expensive in the USA because of laws stopping cartels of health providers putting the squeeze on drug companies. We have anti-cartel laws here too. It also takes a lot more marketing effort in the USA.

American generic drugs are cheaper than EU ones.

But don't let a few facts bother you. Just remember when Corbyn bankrupts the country it is your children who will pay for it.

You clearly do not know what you are talking about. You cannot give an exact prescription for insulin because people eat different amounts of carbs every day so it's more of an estimate. Also, when you get sick you need more insulin. Type 1 is very different from type 2. It is possible to stockpile by eating less carbs or asking for an earlier prescription. They don't ask you to proove how many carbs you ate daily over the last two months or so.

The irony of doing this because you're panicked about shortages as a result of Brexit or a Tory government. Kind of like when everyone buys all the bread at the first mention of snow

Imagine if there was differing levels of service based on how much money you have.

We already do: NHS patients get treated like cattle if you're lucky and anyone able to pay for private care gets treated like a human being.

If we will be buying our pharmaceuticals from the US isn’t that going to mean a collapse of EU pharmaceutical companies

Does anyone actually believe that the EU won’t sell to us?

Children already die here because their parents can’t afford to go private.

@KenDodd Nigel has as much of a hard on for the NHS as the average Brit. He’s fallen out with people over it. Literally refused to speak to or see them anymore.

🙄 I find it hard to understand how people are so drawn in by politicians offering ridiculous unfeasible initiatives/plans and then complain when they don’t work! ‘Vote for us and we’ll increase benefits/funding for the NHS and wipe student loans- just don’t ask how we’re gonna pay for it because we don’t know’

crowd cheers 🙄

Or even worse they just point the angry mob towards anyone not reliant on benefits with a backhanded ‘why should they be doing better than you? Let’s take even more from them!’

🤔 The people who should lose out are those with millions sat in the bank, companies avoiding tax...etc. Not families having to live in inflated prices areas (for work) where £50k-£100k (after tax, NI, SL, full childcare fees and required professional fees) actually equates to a similar lifestyle to another family earning £30k but being topped up, subsidised and funded by every initiative going.

I have friends earning £75k and friends earning £12k PT and what really shocks me is the lack of difference in lifestyle. From an outside point of view it looks like a lot of people who should be ‘wealthy middle class’ are also now struggling.

Elderly care, social care, benefits, schools, NHS... we don’t make enough as a country to fund all of this.

Do you remember the iron curtain and what happened behind it under the communists op. You do realise JC is a communist sympathiser. God help us if he gets elected. We would contemplate leaving the UK and taking our money and future contributions with us.

@OhTheRoses

I can't work out if your being sarcastic or not.

Already happening because of left-wing government incompetence in Scotland. Just one of the SNP victims

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-50445016