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Why do working class vote for Torries?

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ArvidsDaddy · 11/11/2019 20:14

Apologies for being provocative. If what it said in the news is to be believed, I am puzzled by why the traditional Labour voters in the North (and South) would vote for the Torries? It is a bit like Turkeys voting for Christmas, both in the election and the Brexit vote. Lack of education? Lack of self-confidence? Lack of empathy?

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TheAgeofAnxiety · 12/11/2019 07:05

Stories of benefits taken off genuinely disabled people under Tory governments can be found even in the Fail. Can't honestly see how one could justify those.

fromthefloorboardsup · 12/11/2019 07:06

@StylishMummy Have you seen what's happened to the NHS under the Tories? It's definitely not going to be publicly funded.

And could you expand on how they will build a strong economy post-Brexit?

I'm also interested on your views on Boris Johnson's Islamophobia.

TheAgeofAnxiety · 12/11/2019 07:06

So that's a definite evidence of lack of empathy and of social conscience.

Focyt · 12/11/2019 07:14

I’m minimum wage, 42 and a member of the conservatives. I also have a son with autism. I’m better off under conservatives. By miles.

They are better for the country . I grew up in an ex mining town in Scotland. Everyone voted Labour no matter what. I was brainwashed. I suspect that still happens and that’s why they want 16 year olds to have the vote. Ludicrous.
Labour will destroy this country. Have you seen the pledges? They only way they can pay for them
Is to run the country into the ground. He has stated on camera he supports the Venezuelan way. He doesn’t want the poor to better themselves. He wants everyone poor.

Labour want to keep you on benefits so they keep your vote. Conservatives want you to strive to be better, get off the benefits and get the promotions.
Corbyn is a danger to the country. Labour voters really need to dig deeper and see what he is really like. I despise the man. Any other party, he’d be gone by now. A long time ago. This proves it’s Momentum and the unions running the party right now.

ScreamingCosArgosHaveNoRavens · 12/11/2019 07:15

I struggle to find a reason to vote for any of the main parties - none of them offer policies that attract me. For the past few years, my decision has been based on what the candidate is offering, rather than the party. I'd be described as a 'floating voter' I think.

Fucket · 12/11/2019 07:17

Have a look what’s happening in Bolsover and you will get an idea. Local people fed up of a labour council selling off assets that aren’t theirs to build another supermarket. Heavy industry finally left the area under a labour government. People are not stupid, you take your voters for granted and you don’t care how you treat them, If you start thinking they are stupid and not intelligent enough to have a qualified opinion then you ignore them. You start thinking of them as lesser beings.

Why should people in Bolsover vote for Dennis anymore he is nearly 90 and doesn’t represent needs of his constituents.

Personally I don’t think they will vote Labour I think they will vote BXP as a protest vote.

The whole election is going to be one hell of a mess.

Focyt · 12/11/2019 07:18

And I wish they’d stop going on about the Tories privatising the NHS. It’s a broken record. They haven’t done it in the last ten years, they’re not going to start now. In fact it was labour who started it but you don’t hear them bleating on about that.
The hatred from the so called ‘caring left’ is astonishing. It’s their way of thinking or it’s wrong. Do you have any idea how scary that is?
Right now, it’s the left who are to be feared.

clairethewitch70 · 12/11/2019 07:36

Minimum wage goes up(as it should) but the knock on effect is that prices go up to cover it and the rise has no effect on real terms and people on pensions and benefits suffer.

fromthefloorboardsup · 12/11/2019 07:37

@Focyt what is this if not privatisation?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/derriford-hospital-no-longer-offering-3525727.amp

Also, sweeping comments about "the left" are not helpful. I'm a socialist and I don't hate peoples, I treat them with respect.

fromthefloorboardsup · 12/11/2019 07:40

And no I don't vote Labour "no matter what". I base my vote on policies. I'd rather we debated policies than just threw insults at each other and used sound bites from the press.

ListsWonderfulLists · 12/11/2019 07:57

Those people who support the Tories and are moaning about people who spend their lives on benefits, what exactly do you want to happen? Do you want benefits to be reduced even more than they have already (given the massive hardship that Universal Credit has already caused)? And so when people on benefits can't feed themselves, heat their homes, afford transport to get to interviews, afford a home so are thrown out on the street, how is that going to motivate them to get a job? What will happen to the children in that family? Are you happy to see them go hungry too? If not then how the fuck do you resolve the situation?

Personally I would far rather live in a country where taxes are a bit higher but public services are well-funded and there is a good welfare state, even if there are some people who choose to live off benefits (in actual fact the amount lost to benefit fraud in this country is minimal compared to tax evasion). And I don't earn loads, I'm on minimum wage and I'm happy to pay more in taxes to support the public services so I wonder why the hell people on higher wages are so up in arms about it?!

RaspberryBubblegum · 12/11/2019 08:03

Because they believe the media is truly unbiased. Anyone else noticed the media outlets are running old footage of rememberance day a few years ago so as not to show the footage good old bojo placing the wreath upside down this year? Wonder if they'd have done that for jeremy corbyn...
Conservatives have been told not to make any promises on the future of the NHS, inside sources say the government have already had 6 meetings with US counterparts regarding Big Pharma and the NHS, they've killed thousands with austerity and back to work schemes, but people like to turn a blind eye.
When corbyn said about raising minimum wage to £10 an hour everyone said it was an awful idea, but now that Boris Johnson has said he will raise it to £10.50 an hour it's suddenly a good idea 🙄

Contraceptionismyfriend · 12/11/2019 08:05

The NHS can not continue as it is. It was never designed to treat so much and so many.

To continue to have this type of service certain things would have to be cut.

MustardScreams · 12/11/2019 08:20

The problem with right wing media.

Why do working class vote for Torries?
fromthefloorboardsup · 12/11/2019 08:20

So why can't we look at it and sort it out? Fund it properly, look at where it can be better etc.

Scrapping such an incredible system seems very regressive just because we have more people now. Having an American style healthcare system really would be scary.

Kungfupanda67 · 12/11/2019 08:28

Privatising the nhs in that sense isn’t going to an American system though, it’s just making sure that the services are competitive and good value.

My company offers a support and housing service to homeless people, people with disabilities and young parents. We are paid for by the council, but it’s a private company. All that means is that every 3 years we have to rebid for our contract, we have to prove we’re effective and good value and producing the results they want.

That’s the kind of privatisation of the nhs that people are talking about, trying to ensure value for money and less wastage. I don’t know if it’ll work or not but that’s the thinking behind it.

Ceara · 12/11/2019 09:42

From the other angle - I went to private school and Oxbridge, I'm a higher rate taxpayer, I own a BTL house, DH has fibromyalgia and a bad back but works full-time at enormous cost to our family life, my siblings-in-law live in social housing and receive "in work" benefits so I could wax indignant, Daily Fail style, that they always have the holidays, new car and consumer goods that we don't (because roof repairs, because new boiler, because pension pots and college fund etc - in other words, I may not have a big shiny TV but I have the privilege of financial security and my own roof to have to fix). I always vote. Contrary to what might look like my self-interest, I have never voted Tory and will not be voting Tory.

This is an interesting read, though a few years old now - the point about different conceptions of what "fairness" means, and how the media feed them, has echoes on this thread.
www.theguardian.com/society/2012/jun/05/why-working-class-people-vote-conservative

"You can think of the moral mind as being like a tongue that is sensitive to a variety of moral flavours. We have identified six moral concerns as the best candidates for being the innate "taste buds" of the moral sense: care/harm, fairness/cheating, liberty/oppression, loyalty/betrayal, authority/subversion, and sanctity/degradation. Across many kinds of surveys, in the UK as well as in the USA, we find that people who self-identify as being on the left score higher on questions about care/harm. But on matters relating to group loyalty, respect for authority and sanctity (treating things as sacred and untouchable, not only in the context of religion), it sometimes seems that liberals lack the moral taste buds.

Even on the two moral taste buds that both sides claim – fairness and liberty – the right can often outcook the left. The left typically thinks of equality as being central to fairness, and leftists are extremely sensitive about gross inequalities of outcome – particularly when they correspond along racial or ethnic lines. But the broader meaning of fairness is really proportionality – are people getting rewarded in proportion to the work they put into a common project? The conservative media (such as the Daily Mail, or Fox News in the US) is much more sensitive to the presence of slackers and benefit cheats. They are very effective at stirring up outrage at the government for condoning cheating.

The derogatory term "nanny state" is rarely used against the right... Conservatives are more cautious about infringing on individual liberties in order to protect vulnerable populations.

In sum, the left has a tendency to place caring for the weak, sick and
vulnerable above all other moral concerns. It is admirable and necessary that some political party stands up for victims of injustice, racism or bad luck. But in focusing so much on the needy, the left often fails to address – and sometimes violates – other moral needs, hopes and concerns. When working-class people vote conservative, they are not voting against their self-interest; they are voting for their moral interest. They are voting for the party that serves to them a more satisfying moral cuisine."

Dapplegrey · 12/11/2019 10:03

The problem with right wing media.

Mustard, do the Guardian and the Mirror have no influence?

MustardScreams · 12/11/2019 10:08

Well considering that I think it’s 80% of the media are controlled by people who fervently support the Tories being in power, not so much.

CendrillonSings · 12/11/2019 12:00

Well considering that I think it’s 80% of the media are controlled by people who fervently support the Tories being in power, not so much.

Ah, the losers’ eternal mantra. Because otherwise the left might have to come to terms with the fact that their leader is crap and his policies extreme. Much easier to blame it on the “dumb sheeple brainwashed by the MSM”, am I right? Grin

PleasePassTheCoffeeThanks · 12/11/2019 13:31

Even on the two moral taste buds that both sides claim – fairness and liberty – the right can often outcook the left. The left typically thinks of equality as being central to fairness, and leftists are extremely sensitive about gross inequalities of outcome – particularly when they correspond along racial or ethnic lines. But the broader meaning of fairness is really proportionality – are people getting rewarded in proportion to the work they put into a common project
Very well put.

MustardScreams · 12/11/2019 14:00

@CendrillonSings god not you again.

Which of JC’s policies are ‘extreme’? Let me guess... the tax raises?

CendrillonSings · 12/11/2019 14:05

Which of JC’s policies are ‘extreme’? Let me guess... the tax raises?

Got it in one! It’s almost as if you’re learning something Smile

DustyMaiden · 12/11/2019 14:19

During my childhood I watched labour and the unions fight for more pay, pay that wasn’t financially viable. Holding companies to ransom, always on strike. I watched those companies go bankrupt. All of the manufacturers gone, no jobs for anyone. I voted Conservative ever since, at this election I won’t be.

user1497207191 · 12/11/2019 14:59

That’s the kind of privatisation of the nhs that people are talking about, trying to ensure value for money and less wastage.

Like Specsavers getting the contract to do hearing tests and issue hearing aids. First time, there was no choice and I went NHS - 9 months later, after several appointments (including late and cancelled appointments) across 3 different hospitals, I finally got issued with them. A few years later when it was due again, I opted for Specsavers - literally all done and dusted within a single one hour appointment (hearing test, hearing aids fitted, adjusted etc etc - not different appointments for each element). That is exactly what privatisation is all about - doing things more efficiently rather than doing it a different way just because it's always been done like that!

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