Labour’s u-turn on supporting the Brexit Referendum result.

[TheaSaurass]

Can anyone believe a policy this party campaigns on for votes at a general election?

Media supporters may call it a ‘shift’, but it’s a honking great u-turn, as weeks ago Corbyn on a Sunday political programme was asked to clarify Labour’s actual position (as attracted Leave and Remain votes at the last election) and he stated that Labour's position was that the UK WAS leaving the Single Market, otherwise we wouldn't be leaving.

And while the man currently setting Labour policy Keir Starmer says the time for “constructive ambiguity” is over this totally undermines the government’s position ahead of EU negotiations resuming next week.

Instead of getting on with Brexit, Labour will only support a transitional period from 2021 to 2023 (leaving open the option to stay in for good), so while May did not get the election result she wanted, who can say she wasn’t right not to trust a parliamentary Labour Party pretending they supported Brexit, to get government legislation through parliament.

Clearly they NOW feel there are more votes for leaving the question if we leave the EU, open.

“Labour makes dramatic shift on Brexit and single market”

”Labour is to announce a dramatic policy shift by backing continued membership of the EU single market beyond March 2019, when Britain leaves the EU, establishing a clear dividing line with the Tories on Brexit for the first time.”

”In a move that positions it decisively as the party of “soft Brexit”, Labour will support full participation in the single market and customs union during a lengthy “transitional period” that it believes could last between two and four years after the day of departure, it is to announce on Sunday.”

”This will mean that under a Labour government the UK would continue to abide by the EU’s free movement rules, accept the jurisdiction of the European court of justice on trade and economic issues, and pay into the EU budget for a period of years after Brexit, in the hope of lessening the shock of leaving to the UK economy. In a further move that will delight many pro-EU Labour backers, Jeremy Corbyn’s party will also leave open the option of the UK remaining a member of the customs union and single market for good, beyond the end of the transitional period.”

”The decision to stay inside the single market and abide by all EU rules during the transitional period, and possibly beyond, was agreed after a week of intense discussion at the top of the party. It was signed off by the leadership and key members of the shadow cabinet on Thursday, according to Starmer’s office.”

My tuppence worth is that it would not be in either sides interest.

Businesses want to trade. Issues will occur and may be painful at times however there will be a wish on both sides to solve them.

If the EU leaders do wish to punish the uk for political ends then they will face also their own exporters.

The EU will end up saying either stay all the way in or stay all the way out.

Businesses in Germany in particular have put up with Russian sanctions that cut into their trade, and have survived. German businesses and the taxpaying public have also put up with the Greek/Portuguese/Spanish/Irish bailout and have weathered that storm too.

There is no alternative to the EU for businesses and agriculture all over the EU. Without the EU, businesses and farmers and food processors in Hungary, Poland, Belgium, Ireland, Netherlands, France, Italy, etc., etc., would be devoured whole by China and the US. If it comes to a choice between maintaining the integrity of the EU and the ideal of integration and saving the arses of Theresa May and her cronies, they will choose the EU every single time.

Let's agree that EU will act politically (because let's face it: far more massive than the painted bus was the confidence trick that we was played by the UK politicians of the 70s talking of the EEC as an economic enterprise!)

We will be the 4th biggest customer for the EU.
If there goods don't get delivered, they won't be paid for.
Just what do you think the countries who have lost out on selling food to the UK are going to do with it all? Maybe Poland will buy it all.

It's not cash on delivery mummy. That's not how business works. Bring held up in customs is not the same as not being delivered.

Having worked for someone who supplied Morrisons Fruit and Veg, yes it was a case of no goods in the warehouse, no pay....
The deal was we supplied them X amount of goods, not they paid for it while still in Transit...

Either way no more imports then. No one will want to do business with us.
Rotting in fields for lack of pickers or rotting in customs. Glad I have an allotment.

This is only your perception of what will happen.
The EU as you keep stating looks after it's own members, this WILL effect their own members.

Spain and other producers of perishable items will find other markets for food. They are not bound to only trade with the EU, you know. (This is a fact that many Brexit voters are not aware of).

And of course, when you are not sure your tomatoes are going to make it to Dover, you simply switch to some other crop, or the tomatoes can be processed into canned products. It's all greenhouse growing - might as well grow cabbage that gets turned into slaw and sold in Poland and Belarus, or green beans that can be frozen and shipped to South Africa...

Hopefully this will backfire on Labour like Nicola Sturgeons second referendum idea in Scotland. People really aren't stupid.

How could it backfire on Labour? It clearly reflects a good deal of regret on the part of people who voted Leave in the referendum. Labour has far more grassroots members than the Conservative Party does and clearly they have been making their voices heard. A lot of people are not stupid enough to believe that leaving the EU is the greatest idea since sliced bread.

I think Keir Starmer has had the measure of Theresa May for a long time. I don't expect much to backfire on him.

Can you tell me, what things are going to cause problem in the EU once we leave, as anything mentioned you say won't effect them.
They will have a food mountain, and yet your saying it can be sold to the remaining 27, as if there will be no problems for the EU.

Undoubtedly, new markets for produce will have to be found, and possibly new suppliers of parts, but each one will have 26 other countries to choose from. Plus the markets which will have emerged as E Europe shook off Communism. And then, the Germans at least are making plans - not sitting round shouting out meaningless soundbites.

So you really do think the EU farmers will willingly give up on selling fresh goods to the UK. As well as all the canned goods, and frozen goods and bottle goods.
Well that's ok then isn't it.

So you really do think the EU farmers will willingly give up on selling fresh goods to the UK
You do know that a lot of the farms in Spain etc are UK owned don't you ....
Thanet Earth own tomato farms all over Europe and will move production / sales in a matter of weeks to match the orders and available staff

If iceberg lettuces for the UK are no longer profitable, they will just plant something else for another market

The UK is really not very special, despite what Brexiteers think

If they don't plant in the EU it will mean they order from UK farms to fill the shelves.
How sad you don't think the UK is special, but that is part of the remoaners problem, and why people voted out.

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/08/uk-exports-eu-weak-pound-trade-europe

Our reliance on trade with continental Europe

If they don't plant in the EU it will mean they order from UK farms to fill the shelves.
And prices will significantly increase
OR Supply will significantly drop

How sad you don't think the UK is special
I don't think it, I know it.
I was not born in the UK.
The Brexiteers seem to think that the UK still has the clout it did 90 years ago
It does not.
And the sooner they start being a bit more pragmatic, the better for our children and grandchildren.

Why should other countries think the UK is special?
Looking forward to seeing UK farmers finding people to pick their crops.
We have relied on continental Europe for our food imports for a long time.

We have relied on continental Europe for our food imports for a long time.
Which means the continent has amassed a vast business of interdependent business who all are part of the chain to supply the UK.
You can't just find new export markets at the snap of your fingers to take the produce that your farms produce, the farmers will be lobbying their own parliaments to smooth the running of goods to the UK.
How can you fail to understand just because the people at the top in EU don't care, it does not mean the farmers and transport are simply going to sit down and doff their caps to their masters...
In the coming months the suppliers of EU goods will start to plan for next year and want answers.

mummmy
You clearly do not understand the proportions.
The EU is a MASSIVE supplier of UK food.
The UK is not a massive purchaser of EU food.

A Spanish vegetable grower can switch from icebergs for the UK to aubergines for the Greeks in a matter of weeks

but the British have no other place to buy their lettuces

growing lettuce in the UK will be much, much more expensive
if it is possible at all

PLEASE understand how food growing works.

The UK imports masses from all over.
None of them is particularly dependent on our market
we are very, very dependent on theirs

Having WORKED in this area, I do understand, I also know that there will be a BACKLASH by suppliers as we buy so much. once this lack of orders hits small farmers, there will be trouble, we can and will source from other countries, as you say, but it isn't going to be a holiday for the places who grow the food we import.
There will already be plans for this area of food supply, friends who own farms are already being approached by supermarkets to supply perishable goods for next year and beyond.
Try thinking about the fact a growing season is a year away, and there is time to sort supply and demand of products...

There will already be plans for this area of food supply, friends who own farms are already being approached by supermarkets to supply perishable goods for next year and beyond.
Try thinking about the fact a growing season is a year away, and there is time to sort supply and demand of products...

But this works both ways. Supermarkets now,are trying to find farms to supply food. By the same token the Spaniards and French will be looking for new markets for their produce.

Try thinking about the fact a growing season is a year away, and there is time to sort supply and demand of products...
But its not.
In Southern Spain and Italy and Greece and Croatia the crops are year round ..... they re-seed every couple of months.
They do not have the problem of short daylight hours

hence why Thanet Earth is a completely controlled ecosystem - tomatoes grow year round in there