How is brexit going to affect Ireland?

[Spinflight]

Given that all sides appear to be nicely committed to a frictionless border, even if the EU will face some problems with its existing treaties, what of the other effects?

For instance will Ireland join the rest of the EU in forming an army?

With their fishing rights in our waters entirely revoked and the Spanish fleets agitating for increased quotas in the Irish waters how will this affect the rural parts of Ireland?

Lidl and Aldi are both based in Ireland but will no longer be able to source their goods and especially their agricultural produce without paying huge tariffs..

Apple too is based in Ireland but will face large tariffs to access the UK market.

Worst of all I imagine Amazon is also based in Ireland but surely wouldn't be able to compete on price. Gawd knows how many billions worth of trade this amounts to alone.

Also what of the preferential corporation tax in Ireland that the EU wants to 'harmonise' which would mean doubling it. Under the qualified majority voting how long can the Irish alone hold out?

What, to counterbalance all this, are the positives?

Attitudes like spin's totally exposes the jingoistic and xenophobic tendencies behind the leave movement.

Dublin is streets ahead of EU rivals as City firms plan for Brexit relocation

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/15/dublin-first-choice-london-banks-brexit-relocation-plans

www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/germans-tell-irish-that-the-british-are-a-disgrace-35935039.html

ghost I thought Frankfurt was the main gainer, but I sincerely hope Ireland does well out of this, as brexit will screw them royally in other respects.

(Something weird about that article, though, as it thinks Manuel Valls is the new French prime minister!!! Fact checking might not be this journalist's strong point).

"I sincerely hope Ireland does well out of this, "

I do too, and Im a 'leaver'. The EU have shafted Ireland and were/are on target to shaft them again.

The EU have shafted Ireland

Curious to know if you are Irish and if not, when you last went there? I go to Ireland (republic) fairly regularly for work, and a couple of summers ago went to NI on holiday. Lots of European money being spent there, and of course without the GFA (in which the EU played and continues to play an important role role - see link below) we would never have gone to NI as tourists.

www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/76/7607.htm

I doubt Caroline knows much more than she's Googled about Ireland. The only shafting here is being done by the Brexiteers. As per usual they are refusing to take any responsibility for their actions and are trying to blame the EU for a situation entirely caused by them. There will be no Irexit.

Here's a nice overview of modern Ireland. It's a puff piece for Leon but gives a fair enough overview for those who actually would like to know a bit more about Roi
time.com/4856244/leo-varadkar-prime-minister-ireland/

Leo..not Leon obviously

The Brexiteers told us other nations would follow the UK out - a domino effect they said. It hasn't happened.

Now the Brexiteers hope to coax Ireland out. That won't work either.

Poll suggests 88% of Irish people want Ireland in EU

www.rte.ie/news/2017/0509/873610-eu_poll/

"I doubt Caroline knows much more than she's Googled about Ireland."

And there we go. No argument, so attack the poster.

OK guys. Ireland has done fantastically well in the EU. It has uttely thrived. They really didnt mind having multiple referendums, as there really is a total concensus of support it was just the voters needed a bit more 'education'. They were thrilled to bits over the bailout and indeed, see, the eu were right! Look where they are today! Its all fantastic stuff and its going to carry on indefinately as theyre never going to leave the great land of milk and honey EU.
(Absolutely nothing to do with creating a tax haven and slashing corporate tax) You win.

You are right Caroline- Ireland has thrived within the EU. Prior to membership their biggest trading partner was the UK and as the small fish in that relationship they were being royally screwed over. Membership of the EU opened up markets and gave them.a voice and a say.

The Irish referendums are completely different to the UK. They have happened because to accept some EU treaty changes a change in the comstitution was required and the Irish constitution cannot be changed without a referendum. In cases where referenda were rerun it was because the government went back to the EU and said "the people voted no because of e.g.cincerns about neutrality" and the treaties in question were amended to reflect these concerns. The people then voted in another referendum on amended treaties and not the originals as leavers love to imply.

The bailout resulted in austerity but Ireland is now in recovery and the economy is growing again it was a tough few years for many but not as tough as the pre EU days and when shackled to the failing UK economy (remember the IMF in the pre EU UK Caroline?). Nor was it is tough as the 800 years of British colonialism when the land and resources were stripped from the people who were brutalised and forced into poverty for the purpose of enriching the English coffers.

Yes and look where they are today- they have a growing economy but this is now under threat by Brexit as is peace and stability and the GFA. But they do have a young, well educated and hard working workforce which is a big draw for FDI and a government who actually seem to understand what Brexit means and are part of the EU27. Membership of the EU has widespread support across the country a d there will be no Irexit.

It is interesting thst your final attempted lash at the Irish is at corporate tax when this is one of the policies your leaver buddies seem keen to adopt in your post EU Nirvana.

It must niggle a little bit when you see the weak.punny kid that you were always able to manipulate and bully grow up, find a voice, build their strength and fight back. Who knows though there may be a lot they can teach you and as I reminded Spin earlier there might be a time when we might be glkad of a friend across the Irish sea. .

Kofa, you are soo wrong if you believe I am anti-Irish. In short, and then I suggest we all leave it there, is the argument that having thrived under the EU, that everything is now threatened by the UK leaving, is a straight forward contradiction. Why on earth should Ireland be bothered in the slightest that those nasty bullies in England can now finally be relegated to the 3rd world wastrells? Surely Irelands got the EU on their team, and should be celebrating an historic UK exit?

Why on earth should Ireland be bothered in the slightest that those nasty bullies in England

Patronizing guff, you'd do well to read up on Irish history.

Try reading the whole sentence ghost.........

Looks like Frankfurt will get some of the spoils too

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/19/morgan-stanley-picks-frankfurt-post-brexit-hub#comments

So a cleaner within Morgan Stanley has said that maybe 200 more staff may move to Frankfurt to join the 200 staff already there.....out of the 5000 in London. Come back ghost when the barrel scrappers have something better to go on. What a waste of copy.

200 jobs here, 200 jobs there. That's how Brexit will work. Banks are setting up hubs on the European mainland. Easyjet have announced a post Brexit base outside UK. Where are the companies queueing to move to UK?

Caroline I never said you were anti Irish but the tone of your posts on this thread hsve been dismissive of the Irish when not patronising. The truth is that Ireland has done well because of the EU bit it is also true that the economic, social and political relationship with the UK has been important and strong and a significant factor. The UK remains one of Ireland's most important trading partners and much of Ireland's exports to the continent travels via the UK. The free movement of people across the border and the rights of people in NI to hold an Irish passport and identify as Irish and European is an important one. Since the GFA, collaboration and cooperation have grown along with respect and friendship. The Irish relationship with the UK is as important as their relationship with the EU. But if there is a hard Brexit the collateral.damage to Ireland will be immense both economically and to the GFA. Finally Ireland does care about what happens to the UK because they are friends and friends don't like to see their friends damaged in an act of self harm.

Bank of America confirms Dublin as location for EU hub

www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/bank-of-america-confirms-dublin-as-location-for-eu-hub-1.3162670

Things heating up in Ireland this weekend.

The Irish Government have run out of patience over the border issue, DUP seem to expect Irish Government to come up with a solution.

Silence from British Government. It's unacceptable.

View of the Irish Ambassador to the UK.

www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/02/ireland-uk-ambassador-sadness-brexit

What on earth is the taoiseach thinking?

Lecturing and threats, specifically to veto the advance to trade negotiations in October.

Clearly he's ignorant of the hardship no deal would cause to the Irish. Glad to see our £20bn bailout loan bought some influence too.

Congratulations Leo. You've managed to make the single most stupid move possible.

Any bleating from that side of the border will now be met by total indifference here.

Any bleating from that side of the border will now be met by total indifference here.

And how would that be any different to what happens now and what has happened in the past?

Anyone with any knowledge of the very sensitive Irish peace situation warned, and warned repeatedly, of the risks of Brexit but it fell on deaf ears.

For the last 14 months the situation has either been ignored or all we had was soundbites from uninterested parties (and I include the last Taoiseach, Enda Kenny, in that.) Not a fan of Leo Varadkar's politics but thank God he's come along and only a few weeks in the job he's calling out the clueless Brexiteers and seems to be the only one trying to come up with solutions.

Wind your neck back in Spinflight. What is the Taoisesch thinking? Well clearly He is thinking of the citizens of Ireland who are concerned about the political and economic impact of Brexit on the border.

And in one short post you have tried once again to throw in as many barbs and insults to the Irish which says far more about you then it does about any knowledge you think you might have about the Irish situation. I am not sure if your problem is outright xenophobia or an imperiakist hangover but either way it is pretty nasty.

You are quite correct kofa.

It clearly is an imperialist hangover, on behalf of the EU and the Irish government.

Who are now lecturing and threatening us on independence.

I mean, really?

Very sad, especially that he used first world war imagery to frame his speech. And obviously that, I hope a minority, support it.