Do people who voted Labour know what they really voted for?

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Their slogan was 'For the Many not the Few' -- everyone thinks Labour are there to help the most disadvantaged in the UK. But their manifesto failed to reverse all the Tory welfare cuts to the poorest and instead bought youth votes with an expensive promise to cut tuition fees and suggested they'd backpay students them - which, because it's mainly the middle classes who send their kids to Uni is effectively a tax break for the middle classes.

The IFS, a highly respected independent Economic think tank crunched the numbers and showed that Labour's manifesto failed to help the 0-60% poorest earners in this country and instead help the 60-90% highest earners.

Then Corbyn is at Glastonbury, which you can only afford if you're pretty damn loaded, predominantly white and middle class being lauded as a saviour for the downtrodden and vulnerable.

Then don't start me on the harm their Brexit stance - ending Freedom of Movement and effectively being out of the Single Market & Customs Union - will do to the UK, our economy and the future of all these hopeful youths who gave him their vote.

It's shameless!!

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I do agree with you that most voters haven't thought through what labours policies actually mean.

However to post this on MN I think you will need your hard hat on. You are without doubt going to get flamed.

Do you think Labour supporters are stupid?

Perhaps they voted for what they thought would be the better party for the many. That doesn't mean they necessarily expected every world wrong to be righted.

I made my decision, I know why I voted for Labour. I find your post insulting.

Many voters didnt think through what it means to vote for Brexit. Discuss that and see how it feels.

There seems to be lots of things that don't quite add up, e.g. Corbyn being a huge eureurosceptic yet left wing remainers love him

The man who quoted a Shelley poem at Glasto:

Rise, like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number!
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you:
Ye are many—they are few!"

That man? The one who tied this into a speech asking for unity, bridges not walls and democracy?

Only that Shelley poem does not UNITE it does not respect democracy they are not he many, the many voted and they voted Tory, bloody well respect it or be honest about your calls for disunity and civil unrest!

The name of the poem by the way is "The Masque of anarchy".

Very peaceful

I don't think you could reverse the effects of austerity on the poor in a single term but I think 'decent housing for all' is a pretty good place to start.

Having said that Labour voters have their choices and we have ours so that in itself is fine, different beliefs and a strong opposition rather than a presidency is what makes our country tick. What protects us from Trumpesque issues.

But this treating him like the second coming and her like a bitch from hell is sickening and shameful

The many who voted Tory still dont have a majority. They can't govern.

Do you actually realise that voters are not able to write their own list of policies
The UK has been moving scarily right. I've read posters on MN say how scare they are of Marxism. Don't they realise the far right is just as scary. Unfettered capitalism is not pretty either
Unless voters stop voting for the Tories they will continue in their path

I don't have any illusion that Labour is great or Corbyn is the Messiah. I voted for them because the alternative is much worse. And in relation to your OP, better to vote for the party who didn't promise to reverse all the welfare cuts, than the party who introduced them in the first place.

Where we are at now is down to Cameron and Osborne in my opinion. I don't think history will be kind to either of them.

"It's mainly the middle classes that send their kids to uni". If you believe this then ask yourself why you think that's the case. It isn't true, btw, but plenty of working class, or lower middle class (me) people are now being put off university because of the poor value the astronomical cost offers in comparison with a decent apprenticeship. And I'm not sure parents "send" kids to university, I'm pretty sure most 18 year olds sort it out all by themselves (if they can't manage that then they really shouldn't be hoping to get much out of HE).

Corbyn at Glastonbury was perfect. Thousands of people go to the Festival by volunteering as stewards, litter collectors etc, so not everyone has paid an arm and a leg for a ticket. And some people save up to go, treating it as their annual holiday. And he was addressing the TV audience too.

Not sure what you think is so awful about a politician connecting with the demographic of previously disengaged electorate who voted for him or are likely to do so in the future.

Good lord, dont you know the election is over??? and why was he at Glastonbury? because he was invited to speak. would you rather the Tories killed off the Nhs and schools all together? Please give people the credit to vote how they bloody well please!

Condescending much?

Don't be so fucking patronising.

When I was a youngster there was lots of interest in politics. I remember seeing The Redskins amd The Housemartins. Politics was very much part of youth culture. Corbyn isnt doing anything out of the ordinary here.

Oh and May - not so much a bitch from hell. Just incompetent.

would you rather the Tories killed off the Nhs and schools all together?

Where is your proof the Tories are going to do that? I didn't vote Tory btw, just bored of these hysterical unfounded statements.

Quite agree with the OP, Cobyn is the biggest example of the emperor's new clothes I have ever witnessed.

Fuck me. Glasto tickets are £270 for 5 days packed full of stuff to do and bands to watch. That's a fucking bargain. Hardly pricing lower earners out is it?

I know why I did; of course. I want public services. I value a system that looks after people. More than that I want the Tories to stop meddling in our education system: value it; listen to the professionals who work in it, understand the demoralised workforce; respect our skills and dedication; prioritise CHILDREN; stop lying about funding cuts to schools; stop breaking up the system with academy chains that cherry pick and pay their CEO's massive amounts (far more than equivalent LA staff); think about small rural schools and stop closing them .. should I go on. Stop the Tories before there is no education system left or before education switches children off; before there are eveb bigger issues around renation and recruitment of staff. Labour must be better than this

I don't think any manifesto is without its flaws, but I would rather give my vote to labour than to Tory. TBH my views are probably most aligned to Lib Dem policies, but that would have been a wasted vote in my constituency.

Anyway, don't assume that votors are stupid because they don't have the same views as you. It's like all the remain voters assuming that all leave voters are thick and didn't understand what they were voting for. (Remainer here but I would never slate someone for having a different opinion)

Yes I expect so. I voted lib dem because of where we live, but essentially I voted against the right wing ideology of extreme privatisation and deregulation that led to the Grenfell tower deaths. Privatising public services such as the NHS, use of private rentals instead of secure social housing, social care provision etc means that someone takes a cut from the money we pay in tax to provide these services and I strongly object to that. These services aren't even run better when they are privatised - look at southern rail as another example. so it's just ideology, and to my mind it's a flawed one.

Shelley fits Corbyn to a tee.