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What a shambles - the worst possible outcome.

81 replies

HappydaysArehere · 09/06/2017 06:42

Right, looks as if we have a government which cannot govern. The most incompetent leader in the history of the Labour Party in opposition who will probably be propped up by the SNP who wants to break up the UK. Then if Mrs. may does resign there is the possibility of that dangerous loose cannon and egotistical idiot Boris Johnson being voted in. For those voters who somehow seem to be considering that this is some kind of a coalition, forget it. Coalitions work together and hung parliaments like this will hang us all.

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HappydaysArehere · 09/06/2017 07:33

Someone asked what would happen if there is no coalition. Well, I can remember Harold Wilson having to go back to the country and ask for a proper mandate. He actually got it. Don't think they will do that this time. Oh! The prospect of Boris is looming like a nightmare.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 09/06/2017 07:36

It's good. I voted Tory in 2015 when I thought it was a more moderate and centrist party, where labour didn't seem that. Theresa mays vision of the Tory party isn't what I voted for. And I'm not sure that Cameron's vision quite lived up to mine either. So her seeking a mandate was the correct thing to do. And she's been told she doesn't have one. Needless to say I didn't vote Tory yesterday.

It is yet to be seen if the pros outweigh the cons in a hung parliament in relation to Brexit. TM thought she had a mandate for hard hard Brexit and she effing didn't. She's been cowered. It's good I think.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/06/2017 07:36

Yes Boris would be bad. Very bad.

eyestightshut · 09/06/2017 07:38

You know the 3 person embryos that they're developing? Well the average DUP politician would be like one of those - a blend of Margaret Thatcher, Nigel Farage and Ian Paisley all cultured in a petri dish of religious zeal, with all the delights that that entails.

CalmShambala · 09/06/2017 07:40

Britain is divided down the middle with half the population on the far right and half on the far left. There are 11 days to go until negotiation. Not one party has a majority to get things done. Our leader is just about to step down. The British people have rejected discipline and austerity and want to spend their way out of our deficit.

So, can someone please explain to me how this puts us in a stronger bargaining position with Europe?

gentleshouting · 09/06/2017 07:42

The tories have done nothing for the deficit. All this stuff about the austerity agenda working is utter utter rubbish.

BeyondThePage · 09/06/2017 07:44

So, can someone please explain to me how this puts us in a stronger bargaining position with Europe

as you guess, it really truly doesn't! The EU is now talking about delaying the start of negotiation - for now.

Maudlinmaud · 09/06/2017 07:45

eyestightshut that's brillant Grin

MyFavouriteName · 09/06/2017 07:47

The people have spoken though. The country as a whole are not happy with anything going on in our ridiculous politics at the moment so a hung parliament is actually saying exactly that to the politicians. No one is good enough. It's like we're yelling "SORT YOUR SHIT OUT"

Toffeelatteplease · 09/06/2017 07:49

He actually got it. Don't think they will do that this time.

They might and it might happen. An election is about more than Brexit. The result is all about brexit.

As a brexiteer who didn't vote conservatives this time. I probably would have too if it went to vote again if it becomes clear the election is actually all about brexit. I'm a safe tory seat so a protest vote here wouldn't change much might if people feel less safe to protest in marginals.

also Scotland move from SNP to conservative shouldn't be underestimated

Also conservatives fucked up this election from beginning to end. Jeremy Corbyn got it right but who's to say conservatives would misjudge mood again.

Personally I hope TM pushes through a minority government (although she is a joke). Brexit still happens (although Britain probably won't come out of it as well) but they've enough opposition seats to moderate many of the worse conservative excesses

Toffeelatteplease · 09/06/2017 07:52

TM calling an election was a disaster for Britain

My2favboys · 09/06/2017 08:01

the English are in for a shock when they read up about the dup. no to gay marriage/anti choice/RHI scandal/probrexit even though it going to cause so many problems here but will keep the foreigners out/the Brexit ad they run paid for by someone from Saudi Arabia didn't care just wanted the money/nama scandal/general hatefulness.
They're a great bunch of people

ChestnutsRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 09/06/2017 08:08

I feel more upbeat than I've done in a long time (I voted for neither main party). Am hoping this means no hard brexit and a change of direction from austerity. I think a Tory landslide would have been a disaster- that small cabinet of incompetent dictators would have run riot in ruining this country.

StealthPolarBear · 09/06/2017 08:30

My last post should have said "don't NOT care"
Why would Boris want the job any more now than he did last time

FlaviaAlbia · 09/06/2017 08:40

Wow. Didn't see that one coming with the DUP being kingmakers Shock

On one hand, they're evolution denying anti gay marriage bigots but on he other, it's the only way the government is going to be made to give a toss about border issues for Brexit.

Gutted for Naomi Long.

MajesticWhine · 09/06/2017 08:42

Chestnuts - I was just thinking of posting the same as you. My first thoughts were it's a shambles. But maybe it's good if it means no more agenda of hard brexit and austerity.

Boomcack · 09/06/2017 08:47

She was arrogant and it's been her downfall

Vango · 09/06/2017 08:47

The public does not agree with you that Corbyn is an incompetent leader OP.

This. In spades. Based on what evidence? If the Labour Party can get their act together and recognise his popularity then who knows what might happen when we next go to the polls. (Soon, is my prediction.)

Rinkydinkypink · 09/06/2017 08:49

I think a coalition could actually work pretty well. Brexit will have a huge impact on border control in Northern Ireland. It's not going to happen but brexit with coalition from Scotland (SNP will never do this which I think is a shame for the purpose of the UNITED Kingdom), Wales or Ireland would be a good way forward. It also means the Tory government will have stops to the heavy right wing decisions which will hopefully see a more empathetic social and health care system. Id like to stop seeing the back biting etc and go though the next very difficult few years as a unified country who respects the political difference of others but works together for the best outcome. Labour party is to much of a shot show. I think they have some really good ideas but I doubt their ability to work as a group.

Let's make the most of the crap instead of fighting over it! Theresa May leaving now is an appalling idea. The party needs to make the decision of who leads them!

UrsulaPandress · 09/06/2017 08:53

Don't know much about the DUP but I gather we should be afraid.

FlaviaAlbia · 09/06/2017 09:05

Regarding the DUP - They took their sweet time to reject the endorsement from the paramilitaries who warned people off voting Alliance.

Bearing in mind they'd shot and killed a man holding his toddler in a Sainsbury's car park not long before. Admittedly he was also a loyalist paramilitary but he was holding his 3 yr old son

Maudlinmaud · 09/06/2017 09:11

Honestly I have given up politics here. NI is so complex and nothing ever changes.
I am however intrigued to know what DUPs negotiations will be.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 09/06/2017 09:18

No one is good enough. It's like we're yelling "SORT YOUR SHIT OUT"

I agree.

Yes Labour did well but as McDonnell has just admitted. They didn't do well enough.

The electorate basically said we don't trust any of you to govern outright.

I do worry about going back to 2 party politics though.

The 2 main parties had a huge vote share.

The Tories vote share for example was the same as Blair had when he got his landslide.

christinarossetti · 09/06/2017 09:28

It was clearly reflected diminishing confidence in TM and her party.

And clearly reflected increased confidence in JC and his party.

squishysquirmy · 09/06/2017 09:33

The DUP are vile. And also implicated in some very dodgy deals involving the funnelling of "dark" money during the Brexit campaign....

BUT I agree with what AppalazianWalzing said:

They will have limited power in a coalition government, and the coalition would struggle to get right wing legislation through. All it would take is for a few progressive Conservatives to rebel to block legislation.
If the Conservatives had won a large majority, May would have been able to push all sorts through with ease (I was especially about the threat to our human rights). She can't do this now.
Plus, they will join the Conservatives as scapegoats when the sunlit uplands of Brexit don't materialise.

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