Genuine question for Tory voters

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Really not asking this in a goady way- I just want to know if anyone has changed their mind over the last few days of TM refusing to do any interviews/debates. I don't think Rudd did anything positive for the Conservative party with her appearance on the debate the other night and what I have seen of TM, she seems like she might actually be having a bit of a breakdown?

LadyinCement

*This thread shouldn't get derailed but £8 to feed a family of 3 for a week? For a start two children's child benefit would amount to more than £8.

I think you should have come up with a more realistic amount than eight pounds if you want people to believe you.*

Wow, Lady you really are a piece of work!

Firstly, a family of 3 in my case consists of 2 parents and 1 child, so your comment about having two child benefit payments is wrong. Also child benefit is paid once a month and I stretch it as far as I can but there is not only food to buy but clothes and shoes etc...

Secondly, I didn't say I only had £8 every week, I stated that we aren't the poorest but due to our situation we have lean times, and they happen regularly not rarely.

For you to suggest that I am lying only illustrates how ignorant you are about others' situation in this country.

It is the standard Tory argument to blame the poor for being poor because it means they don't have to do anything about it.

I can see that this is pointless though trying to appeal to your better nature.

It seems you are trying to appeal to posters' pockets...

It seems you are trying to appeal to posters' pockets...

Yeah you're running out of arguments now aren't you. I am not asking for handouts, just better working conditions, fair rents and an NHS that is safe from privatisation.

Well, I do admit you really do need better working conditions if two adults are only pulling in £8 a week...

No, I haven't changed my mind and sent my postal vote a couple of days ago.

No way in hell would I vote for Labour. The last Labour government very nearly bankrupted the country, and I think that Corbyn and his ridiculous manifesto promises would finish the job.

The massive amount of PFI debt that Labour ran up last time building new schools and hospitals was shocking. A hospital that should have cost £70 million to build will now cost £350 million by the time that is paid off.

It's also very obvious from Corbyn's refusal to comment at all on the matter that he will do absolutely nothing to bring down immigration, which is what most people are concerned about. Current infrastructure cannot cope with even the amount of people here currently. Promising free everything to anyone in England and not capping immigration in any way is going to be disastrous for this country.

Well, I do admit you really do need better working conditions if two adults are only pulling in £8 a week...

Now, come on, LadyCement, you're not that stupid.

I also do not want handouts. I'm quite satisfied with the working tax credits at the level they currently at.

What I do want is changes to UC or for it to be scrapped. Once our area moves to that I'll be approx £50 p/m worse off. I just do not have that kind of money to spare. I am barely able to feed us now.

I also want better funding to the NHS, in particular child and adolescent mental health and better funding to schools. Those things would personally benefit me and make me more able to improve our current situation. I'd also welcome rent controls, better regulation of letting agents and scrapping of the bedroom tax.

tookawhile ask for all that fine, but all of it is just funded on immediate borrowing. Labour want to borrow money, with little discussion on how to repay this, we're still in debt thanks to our lovely bankers. A labour government means more debt. More debt means more austerity and in the long run poorer quality of life.

Conservative are doing things the right way, which is obviously the hard way. They want to fix the economy first, and then fund public goods and services when we know we can afford to with a strong economy. Why spend more on public goods/services with money you don't have in the first place?

Wavered a bit, it has been an appalling campaign, but I will still vote Tory.

I thought I might vote libdem but I can't as I'm a leaver.

I don't actually mind JC on a personal level, but just can't imagine him as pm. His ideals are just that and don't look workable.

I think we are heading for a hung parliament which won't be great for business or the markets. No certainty.

I'm just ignoring LadyCement- she's obviously only on here to wind people up with comments like that

Nope, postal vote already in!

Referring to the original question, TM has stuck to her pre-agreed schedule, it is JC who u-turned at the last minute, and decided to attend the monkey house debate!

I shall vote Conservative because I think that they're the best option, not because I agree with everything.

DD says some of her work colleagues (20s) are going to vote Labour because they want extra bank holidays.

DS is well hacked off with the Labour proposal to remove uni fees and cancel debts - he worked hard to earn money whilst studying, and we also contributed, to minimise his loan. He feels that it would be totally unfair for others who (in his words) concentrated on having fun, to have their loans waived. Fair point I think.

No not changed my mind. I don't agree with all the Tory policies but I don't see how Labour can make the numbers work.

If I could vote I would vote conservative

It seems that every time labor gets in money is throw around to everyone and then suddenly the pot is empty (Blair and brown I'm looking at you) and then the conservatives get in and have to tighten the belts again.

I am directly affected by the university fees. I agree with them. 50% of people are now going to university. When I was young it was 5%.

I would not want to fund people messing around with noddy degree's on the tax payer.

ajandjjmum- what about cancelling women's hour this morning, not doing any live interviews? Corbyn is slated if he doesn't do them and slated if he does! I think they should all be there to represent the party and policies they want the public to vote for. However this isn't just about the debate, it's more the fact that she won't answer any questions live and when she has in the past she either avoids the question or looks like she's dying inside!

I think Took could do with some help regarding budgeting. Firstly she claims that 25% of kids are in poverty and then that she only as £8 to last a week. Something is going wrong.

Yes Hillingdon! I can't comprehend why Corbyn wants to scrap tuition fees other than to win young voters. Even though they don't know what voting is. Cigarettes are heavily taxed because smokers are a massive burdon on the NHS, so in theory they're paying for their healthcare when they buy cigarettes. The same applies to university. People who don't go to university have to pay for people who want to study surf science at Plymouth or even worse, a Philosophy degree. Besides, the student loans company is really good, we only repay our loan when we earn over £21,000 and even then it's about £30-40 a month which is hardly a cost for a degree in something you're passionate about.

Having both children going through university over the next 3 years it is so tempting to vote for something like this. It would save our family over £70k, however its not feasible.

Do a degree by all means but do think about why you are doing it and making it free will just encourage a bloated further education sector and micky mouse degree's. Have you seen what some of the Vice Principals are on salary wise in these institutions?

I've got 3 in university from next September hillingdon and it's one thing I'd be interested to see what happens if labour win. I just cannot see the figures adding up.

I haven't changed my mind.
People seem to forget that TM is running the country as well as campaigning (vital cobr meetings for example and today needing to deal with the Trump climate change thing).
I am pleased that the Tory manifesto includes some difficult decisions that alienate core supporters such as means testing the wfa and reconsidering the triple lock on pensions.
I am, however, disappointed in the quality of the campaign (and I have worked within it to some degree). The Tories had an open goal and have missed the target too often. Why they missed the issue of the cap on home care fees is beyond me. The Dilnot report was an entirely sensible solution.

really - people are voting labour for the extra bank holidays
just what this country needs - the economy to take a further dip because everyone gets 4 extra days holiday when the UK won't be working.
I did not know existing student tuition fee debt would be waived - is that in the manifesto and if it is - has that been costed too
Like hillingdon I attended university in the 1960s when a small minority of school leavers went to university for which tuition fees were paid and small maintenance grants which were means tested (and was not enough without taking on postal deliveries at Christmas, working at Butlins as a chalet maid/waitress during the summer or fruit picking/shop work.)
How the whole university funding thing is feasible with 50% of leavers going to uni I despair. Blatant bribery for the young who will vote labour in their own self interest.
I am not too stressed if the conservatives remove the winter fuel allowance from pensioners (it is a very small amount that I will miss (annual income £13K so not rich) but it would not make me ever condone the labour ideas ) Rich pensioners don't need it.
A better idea would be to scrap it all together and add the amount £4 per week per houshold to those households on pension credit which is already means tested.

He is bribing them to vote for him. The pensioners don't want their pensions affected thank you very much and want to leave their expensive houses to the grandchildren.

No one wants to pay for this and expecting large companies to stump up. They will move offshore and if its legal why wouldn't they.

What I am seeing on a number of these threads from the left wingers is that they agree with all the JC says, they are often taking out considerably more than they put in for all sorts of reasons good and bad. Why would they want it to change??

I would support abolishing tuition fees if we reduced the number of people going to university to (guessing wildly) 10%. Otherwise I don't think the spending can be justified for all the reasons upthread. Individual students are the beneficiaries of their degrees (and status etc) so it is entirely reasonable that they find it themselves.

took I don't think most posters disagree with you that your life does sound incredibly difficult and you are not prospering under the curent government. What people disagree on is that you think JC and the Labour Party will be the silver bullet to a long lasting better life for you and yours.

Objections are around the unaffordability of what he has proposed, and the fact that it will all be funded on debt, meaning the house of cards he will build will get higher and higher; and eventually fall faster and much worse and end up with you suffering even more.

Liken it to an addict wanting just one more hit - where the addict is JC and the hit is the money he will borrow. The best outcome is that he remains an addict, the worst is that he ODs and everything collapses.

I voted Conservative not to stick it to you even more, but to try and drag this country and everyone in it through the shit tip of Brexit with the least overall damage when we come out the other side. I honestly believe that JC in charge of Brexit and the UK would be a disaster of a magnitude far greater than what you are already fearing.

I've not decided between Conservative or Lib Dem. It will not be Labour given the sucking up being done by Sturgeon.