Trump (Part 6)

[claig]

More on Trump

It is a Trump world and as the Modi saying goes

“Aab Ki Baar Trump Sarkar”

and as the Stump for Trump Sisters say

"Get on the Trump Train or get the hell out of the way"

Rock'n'roll

"I'm not complaining about the result or trying to change it, I'm simply saying that portraying the Trump win as the "victory of the people" is inaccurate and rather revisionist. "

But thats the point Im addressing, you cant just take a FPTP vote count and portray it as as PR vote and therefore a 'popular vote' win. The voters werent given an 'every vote counts' election. They were given a FPTP election and therfore low turn out always happens in areas that are overwhelmingly one party or the other. The only way you can claim Hillary wins a 'popular vote' is if you asked the voters to vote again in an 'every vote counts' system. If you did, as we did in the referendum, turn out increases dramatically, as yes, every vote counts!

Shame you dismiss California, its one state with an overwhelming 4.3 mill Hillary votes. How can you disregard that when claiming the US as a whole voted unanimously for Hillary by 2.8mill?

The American people beat the British in the American Revolution of 1776.

It was a minority of the American people who beat the British, it was a minority of the American people who fought and defeated the British soldiers and Hessian mercenaries in the pay of the King of England, but that minority of the American people won a tremendous victory for all of the American people and created the great country of the United States for all the American people of that time and forever into the future.

A minority of the American people beat the British in 1776, but all the American people beat the British

A minority of the American people beat the elites in 2016, but all the American people beat the elites

A majority of the British people beat Sir Bob, Blair and the EU bigwigs in 2016 and all the British people left the EU in 2016

Here is the voice of the elite, the world elite, all the panjandrums, the servants extraordinaire, the PPEs and top echelon of politicians - The FInancial Times.

And it is a voice of panic because Trump told the people "I am your voice" and the elites knew it was all over bar the shouting, the people had won.

Failing elites are to blame for unleashing Donald Trump

www.ft.com/content/f27340fc-1848-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e

"Trump angst looms over economic elite at IMF meetings

Global policymakers fret discreetly about Republican candidate

www.ft.com/content/e4743282-8ca5-11e6-8cb7-e7ada1d123b1

Global elites must heed the warning of populist rage

www.ft.com/content/54f0f5c6-4d05-11e6-88c5-db83e98a590a

And here is an article from Marketwatch.

"Opinion: Brexit is just the beginning of a popular revolt against elites"

www.marketwatch.com/story/brexit-is-just-the-beginning-of-a-popular-revolt-against-elites-2016-06-24

The writing is on the wall. The people beat the elites.

We beat them. It's over, they are desperate, defeated, depleted.

Don't listen to the siren voices of their servants extraordinaire, their Blair, their Tony Blair Destitute. Of course they will regroup, of course their media will lie, of course they will call Trump and the people every calumny that the BBC can come up with. They're pissed, they lost, we won.

Expect to see Sir Bob on the BBC soon. He is all they have left. It is that desperate. We the people won.

Michael Moore said "Trump's victory will be the biggest Fuck You ever recorded in human history"

That was the people speaking, Trump was "our voice" and the people told the elites "Fuck You"

And Farage is grinning and is in and out of Trump Tower more often than the newspaper delivery boy.

There are those who just wont accept who 'the people are' Claig.
Just browsing on the brexit threads, and theres still the onslaught of, 'well Im comfortable, but dont those leave voters realise theyll be the ones worse off!' mentality.

Its like the 'black lives matter' protests we had here this summer. White students protesting on behalf of black 'lives'. Join ranks, yes. Stand shoulder to shoulder in support, yes. But being the only ones out there making some political point on someone elses behalf?

There is an activist theme amongst the 'elites' (and Ill incude academic ones, if only because our current generation of students are shouting for IQ tests for voters ) that not only do they know whats best for the 'lower classes', the less educated who heaven forbid had a vote, but they also know whats best for the 'minorities'. Some may genuinely believe their own hype, but unless you live in Bradford (either white, asian or any EM) or work 12 hour shifts on £7.50 an hour, how dare they even comment, let alone pontificate. Its 'elitism' filtered through the 'politically correct' warp machine.

A 'surprisingly' huge vote (in comparison to the predicted polls) from the latinos, minorities, women etc in the US went to Trump, and the anti-trumpers are utterly bemused and confused. They can only explain it as 'ignorance', or 'racism', or 'protest vote'. They really really dont get it Claig. But lets see how the 'ignorant' 'racist' vote goes tomorrow in the electoral college.

'Its 'elitism' filtered through the 'politically correct' warp machine.'

Absolutely

'A 'surprisingly' huge vote (in comparison to the predicted polls) from the latinos, minorities, women etc in the US went to Trump'

Yes, and despite the biggest media and propaganda onslaught ever in world history against one politician, with puppet politicians and so-called journalists in collusion against Trump as Wikileaks showed

Nassim Taleb's article I quoted earlier on portrays the arrogance of these elites, these manipulators of the media, these cynical spinners, these Oxbridge Bliars who con and fool the people for their political masters and pecuniary gain, these puppets with "no skin in the game", these politicians who are all the same, these "intellectual idiots", these poxymorons

"The Intellectual Yet Idiot

What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.
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Indeed one can see that these academico-bureaucrats who feel entitled to run our lives aren’t even rigorous, whether in medical statistics or policymaking.
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The IYI (Intellectual Yet Idiot) seems ubiquitous in our lives but is still a small minority and is rarely seen outside specialized outlets, think tanks, the media, and universities — most people have proper jobs and there are not many openings for the IYI.
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The IYI pathologizes others for doing things he doesn’t understand without ever realizing it is his understanding that may be limited. He thinks people should act according to their best interests and he knows their interests, particularly if they are “red necks” or English non-crisp-vowel class who voted for Brexit. When plebeians do something that makes sense to them, but not to him, the IYI uses the term “uneducated”. What we generally call participation in the political process, he calls by two distinct designations: “democracy” when it fits the IYI, and “populism” when the plebeians dare voting in a way that contradicts his preferences.
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Those in the U.K. have been taken for a ride by Tony Blair.

medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.drax6273p

Trump on Twitter: If my many supporters acted and threatened people like those who lost the election are doing, they would be scorned & called terrible names!

Typical liberal double standards

"The people" does not mean the majority of the people, instead it refers to the people as opposed to the elites and the reason for that is that the elite all backed Hillary, as did the elite's media and all the politicians across the planet who were told to call Trump "unfit". That is why Trump's victory was a victory of the people over the elites - a populist victory, a people's victory over the powerful elites

Eh?! What does that make the ordinary person then, the one that did not vote for Trump. An elite?

^who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for*

I for one am not being told or doing any of those things, you are under estimating the ordinary person.

p.s. bearing in mind Blair is barely in the press, you are completely and utterly obsessed with him!

Why do a link claig when you've just copied and pasted all that article in your post.

Total net worth of Trump's appointees - 14.5 billion - officially the richest administration in modern history.

Anyone who seriously thinks he is against the elites is deceiving themselves. And blatantly "the people" didn't win since the person that the majority voted for did not get elected.

Shame you dismiss California, its one state with an overwhelming 4.3 mill Hillary votes. How can you disregard that when claiming the US as a whole voted unanimously for Hillary by 2.8mill?

Erm...
For the record, nobody is claiming that the US voted, ahem, unanimously for Clinton by 2,8 million votes. It's either a majority or unanimous. It can't be both.

Then you can't disregard California as it's part of the US. It would make much sense to disregard it as it would have made to disregard Florida when Al Gore won against Bush.

Anyway, it happens that the US is divided into states. Otherwise it wouldn't matter where voters come through. Any US citizen should be worth just as much as another, but the electoral college means they don't. Only people in swing states really matter, and those who didn't vote for the winner aren't worth anything.

But, that's the system. Just don't try to make this a huge win, which it wasn't.

Even considering that it was an election after 8 years of a Democratic candidate and people usually want a change.
This was one election Republicans should have won, and as it was it was a doubly empty victory.

That notion then is never-ending in your opinion, because in 50 yrs time the whole of GB's current population will be more or less replaced by immigrants. Do you not consider things such as space and resources?

The fact that anyone can seriously put evident nonsense like this forward as fact explains much about the brainwashing that has led to Brexit, and indeed Trump.

that the elite all backed Hillary

Quite a lot of the elites backed Trump. As have joined his administration.
He's part of the elite.
And the people voted as a majority for Hillary.

Your "definition" of people and elites leaves a majority of voters in a limbo, claig. What are they supposed to be?

If my many supporters acted and threatened people like those who lost the election are doing, they would be scorned & called terrible names!

Typical liberal double standards

Certainly double standards by Trump.

But it goes again to the premise.
How are liberals acting?
Who have they been threatening?
Have Trump suporters not threatened even before the election?

And evidence, or that's just spin by Trump. Proper evidence, not one isolated case.
Evidence of the double standards.

Also, that tweet was because he didn't like the SNL sketch isn't it?

Considering he called his on supporters vicious, nasty, mean and violent, I think he has gotten rather confused.
That's the problem with people like him, they assume the worst of all people.

'Eh?! What does that make the ordinary person then, the one that did not vote for Trump. An elite?'

Of course not, just as a Remain voter is not elite even though they voted with Sir Bob, Blair, the OECD, the IMF, Cameron and his teams, the Bank of England, the EU and the Punishment Budgets.

Blair himself is not "elite", he is merely a "servant extraordinaire", you can tell by the lines on his face, the lines of despair

In the American Revolution of 1776, there were Americans who sided with the King of England against the American revolutionaries, but they were still Americans.

In the American Revolution of 2016, there were Americans who voted for the elites against Trump and the Trump fans, but they are still the people and the end result is that the Revolution has been televised and Trump and the revolutionaries won and defeated the elites.

That is why the elites wailed on Wall Street, felt shitty in the City, felt blue in the EU, were davostated in Davos, and Blair was heard to swear and say this isn't fair after saying "I no longer understand what is happening in politics", he was out of ideas, out of tricks

They no longer understand what is happening in politics, the BBC, their best and brightest, try to analyse it every night, they invite trendy guests, celebs and pop stars on to shout "bigot" to big the elites up and make them feel a little better.

Reports say that Blair is plotting a return, funding has apparently been confirmed and the servant is already being derided by the people who laughed so loud the whole world laughed with them, the sun, the moon, the galaxy itself smiled and laughed and thundered and clapped at the victory of the people over the elites in the year of 2016.

The sun has got his hat on and it says "Make America Great Again"

Trump immediately took to twitter (his preferred communication medium) and pointed out that "if illegal votes were discounted" then as well as winning the Electoral College landslide, Trump would equally have won the popular vote

The fact that Trump says something on Twitter does not make it true - as he himself has acknowledged.

You're going round in circles again, Claig.
Trump can't represent the people if the people are against him.
He may represent a set of opinions and values, but never "the people".
You know why? Because "the people" doesn't exist as a unit.
There are many different people.
I consider the Republican party establishment and the main cause of a Washington swamp. I consider big business and banks and oil companies as establishment. I consider the bad "elites", billionaires who worry more about profit than welfare and have never had to worry about where to live or where to get a job.
So, per my definition, anyone against Hillary is elite and establishment.
I'm "people", and it seems the majority of voters in the US voted against what they thought were elites and establishment (Trump). So, don't presume to speak for any people.

'Quite a lot of the elites backed Trump. As have joined his administration. '

No, very few elites backed Trump. Only the Trump fans remained loyal throughout when the crooked media said Trump stood no chance, when the BBC smeared Trump with "white supremacism" and when the political class called Trump "unfit" Not even Farage had the bottle to stand behind Trump 100%, only the legendary Trump fans stood and cheered for Trump right up to election day.

Rick Perry, Establishment, and now Secretary for Energy, called Trump "a carnival barker" and said he was "a cancer on conservatism"

Rex Tillerson, Establishment and former CEO of Exxon, and now Secretary of State never donated a dime to support Trump

"Big Donor Rex Tillerson Never Gave a Dime to Trump’s Campaign But He Did Support Another Candidate
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Records indicate Tillerson was an early Jeb Bush supporter. Last September, he maxed out the allowable individual political donation by giving $2,700 to the Jeb Bush campaign.

In addition to Bush, during this election cycle Tillerson also donated $33,400 to the National Republican Senate Committee, the Roy Blunt campaign committee, Right to Rise USA (a pro-Jeb Bush PAC), and the Exxon Mobil PAC."

lawnewz.com/high-profile/big-political-donor-rex-tillerson-never-gave-a-dime-to-donald-trumps-campaign/

But Trump has appointed them because now everybody will have to dance to Trump's tune. Trump has already got off to a fine start by stringing Mutt Romney along, hanging him out to dry and humiliating him, a spectacle much enjoyed by Trump fans.

Things are looking up, the fun has just begun.

They did back him when he became the candidate and are backing now that he was elected.

And then we have the Russian elite and establishment too.

But wait, what's this I see?

It's Blair, the elite have called him back, the people thought we had given him the sack, and who's that with him, who is holding his hand? Why it's Sir Bob, up for yet another job. It's Laurel and Hardy, the fake and the foolhardy, the only duo the elite have got to stop the rot and end the people's glorious revolution.

The BBC will parade every pop star in the land on our screens to call the people "biigots", actoors, luvvies and Sirs will grace the sofas paid for by the people to insult the great people of the country and call us horrible names, but it will all be in vain. We are heading for the EU exit, we voted for Brexit and across the pond, Trump has said "we will be the first in line", Trump is with us and everything is fine.

Only in your head having a former PM giving his opinion is all to do with elites.
It's common practice to call those who've been in power to comment on current affairs.

Southallgirl- I am still keen to know what it is you think I want to say and can't because political correctness......

The great Johnny Cash sang it better than anyone

"Ain't no grave" can hold the people down.

There ain't no knave, no Balir, that will ever hold teh people down. They will never beat the people and the people's revolution, no matter how many Sirs and "servants extraodinaire" they have got.

They will never Stump for Trump, they will never beat the people as long as the flame of liberty still flickers and free speech and truth can still be told.

What are your thoughts on 'Made in China 2025'?