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[claig]

Another Trump thread for those who want to discuss what it all means

Article from another thread

"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

Germaine Greer was banned from speaking on campuses because of one comment she made about transgender, which offended politically-correct thought.

The unis who banned not only Greer but also Bindel must not have read any of their writings in the first place. But so what is they have a different view - isnt that what uni debate is all about? Clearly not, uni debate is about agreeing with the prevailing political bullshit.

If that is correct, that Obama removed the hotline to the Kremlin, then he really is not the cultured, mature, educated person we see on our screens. That is what a bitchy teenager would do.

I'm of an age that I can remember life before political correctness. You know, when black people could be called derogatory names and politicians on the right could put leaflets through your door stating to vote for them if you didn't want a nr for a neighbour

toomanypetals - No, that is NOT what PC is about. Banning such language was a good move, but I believe it would have been cultured out anyway. Political correctness was introduced to us firstly with regard to teaching us that epithets like the above should not be used. That was 'entry level' of PC but then the great & the good went on with their real intention, which was to make people afraid to talk candidly. Some were even afraid to have thoughts, because it felt to them as if they would be found out!

The whole PC business was a long-range plan to essentially (i) control thought, and (ii) dissuade us from challenging. But more than that, an atmosphere was created that somehow if you were not part of the consensus of opinion on anything, you were bad.

When I first encountered it, it felt like a hive mentality. Remember this film?

*I'm posting now, because will not have time later on).

Trump goes against their "divide and rule", and he goes against their Syria policy of backing the Jihadis against a secular regime. One day the entire truth will come out about the pay for play charidees and Benghazi and who backed the Jihadis and who funded Isis and who promoted the divide and rule that caused so many problems across the world

When I first learnt that USA was backing the fucking jihadists, I could not make sense of it. Why on earth create another vacuum for a fundamentalist regime to take power. They naffed up re Iraq and Libya, so why another? I now understand far more, but this is not the place to expound on it - everyone can do their own research.

Egypt seemed to be the only country who resisted a takeover by the jihadis and threw out the Muslim Brotherhood. They are one of the groups that make up the jihadis fighting in Syria and elsewhere.

The Western media is fond of saying that Assad is "a monster" and needs to be removed. This is regime change and fuck-all to do with the West. I am told by Iraqi friends that life under Hussein was not bad; no group such as christians or jews were allowed to be discriminated against. He was not a good guy but the country was in life.

Life and attitudes in the MENA countries are very different to ours in the West. There is now a great deal of hatred between the two main sects of Islam and it is for them to find a middle way, no one else.

They're not the only ones. There are several uni's who just will not allow any challenge to their cosy, left wing, consensus view.

If you can spare 10 min's, I strongly urge you to read this superb article on this subject by brilliant Camille Paglia. thesmartset.com/free-speech-the-modern-campus/

'Egypt seemed to be the only country who resisted a takeover by the jihadis and threw out the Muslim Brotherhood.'

Absolutely, which is why the media was turned against Egypt and General Sisi etc. He smashed the Muslim Brotherhood and although it was very harsh, he did it to prevent Egypt from falling to this divide and rule Jihadism that leads to the loss of lives of hundreds of thousands of people.

Watch this interview of Trump with Chuck Todd on US TV to understand why the elites fear and hate Trump. Trump has teh courage to be not politically correct and go against the politically correct line they use the media to enforce. Trump said the world was a better place with Saddam and Gaddafi in charge and that goes against all of the divide and rule regime change the elites (and their servants) pushed for.

"Life and attitudes in the MENA countries are very different to ours in the West. There is now a great deal of hatred between the two main sects of Islam and it is for them to find a middle way, no one else."

Completely agree on this point.

prominent black people like Dr Ben Carson, Herman Cain, Mike Tyson, Don King, American black pastors

claig - What is noted about the above small selection, is that (those that I know of) are of independent thought and are not easily cowed. They also understand that different attitudes and beliefs can be found in the most unlikely of people.

Syria doesn't mean that much to us, though it does to the EU. Quite why May is continuing Cameron's rhetoric is beyond me.

It's got very little to do with Jihadis, most of the non state combatants are mercenaries. Ever wondered how a disorganised rabble in Toyota pick ups can survive a circular firing squad against state actors?

Saying that the US did try to organise an insurgency of secular anti-Assad forces. I'll try to dig out the video where the oversight committee discovers just how many warriors it's $500 million brought to the front lines...

Lol.

Thanks for reminding me of Robin Skynner. A great man.

Claig Thanks for the vid link. For some reason I cannot view any vid on my computer except in the early morning. It just does not move, and no sound, so I will try again later. But some interesting comments under that vid, such as:

"Hillary works below a number of people, some of those people are the controllers of the US economy, which are predominantly British Elites such as Jacob Rothschild. The first thing the western funded groups (mainly Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood) did after invading Libya was to establish a private central bank, which now controls the Libyan economy as it sets the currency value, inflation/deflation rates as well as wealth distribution and interest rates, Hilalry may personally have some investment in this bank, but she's certainly not the main beneficiary. ANYONE who invested in any of the sectors which have profited from the Libyan invasion will benifit, the reason Hillary was so happy about Gaddafi's death was because any private investor who lobbied for the support of politicians such as Hillary to fulfil their interests will be ensured their capital, the moment Gaddafi died, it meant the business strategy should work, anyone who's invested will start to be able to profit.

"Furthermore, most of Gaddafi's wealth was taken by the rebels, this meant nothing to western elites, Libya was a threat because it was creating an opposing system to the petrodollar for Africa by re-establishing the gold standard, this couldn't have been allowed to happen, furthermore, Libya is very rich in Oil, natural gas, prescious minerals and other valuable resources which are now being raped and sent over to the companies of the investors who invested in the war."

"Syria is about Russian pipelines, not Assad. As long as there is chaos in Syria, Russia can't build its pipelines to the Med sea and sell its oil to Europe. It's called an economic war"

This may be another reason for support from Russia, and the only other friendlies in that area are Jordan and Israel. Having Syria captured by IS would not be good for Turkey either, or southern Russia for that matter. They have enough potential hostles in their various 'stans'.

'This may be another reason for support from Russia'

Not really because Assad was going to go ahead with the Iranian pipeline and that doesn't benefit Russia but there is nothing that Russia can do about it. The reason for the war was the Saudis and Qataris and Turks who opposed the Iranian pipeline and the pay for play charidee donations to puppet politicians.

The US neocons wanted to block Russia selling its oil via Ukraine to Germany which is why Soros etc funded the Ukrainians and stopped the Russians selling to Europe via that route. The Russians then tried to go through Bulgaria etc but the EU elites stopped that, so the Russians had to try and go via Turkey using TurkStream and then the Turks shot down the Russian plane etc. So Russia was blocked and did a deal with China instead.

Then we had the Turkish coup and now Turkstream is back on.

The EU wants Iran to be online because it reduces oil prices and is an economy that will buy EU goods, but the Saudis and the pay for play charidee teams were against the Iranians etc.

It is clear that Trump wants better relations with Russia which is why Russia carried on bombing Aleppo after Trump's phone call with Putin, but what Trump will do to Iran nobody yet knows.

That is why the world is looking at Trump's appointment for Secretary of State. Will he put John Bolotn in there and the neocons of the Bush era and will that mean more war and regime change and will the Establishment be back in the driving seat or will Trump outsmart the lot of them?

Not Russian pipelines no, they're planning one through Turkey and already supply Eastern Europe and Germany.

South Pars though is the largest hydrocarbon field in the world. Trouble is it lies across the Qatar / Iran EEZs which means that whoever gets the gas out of the ground the fastest gains the most.

So the Qataris want a pipeline through Syria, as does Saudi. Doesn't really affect us as we get our gas from LNG tankers, which wouldn't change regardless of pipelines.

Russia though would rather not have the competition for it's gas. Iran also figures into it, though less so if Trump tears up Obama's unilateral treaty.

So there is literally hundreds of billions at stake, hence the mercenaries who just swap sides depending upon who pays the most. Sure about 3000 dudes turned up when the Americans offered them training and weapons. Course, they were all secular. Once trained and equipped, well they got a better day rate elsewhere.

God alone knows how bad those 4 or 5 dudes must have been not to get hired by someone.

Hence a lot of the Russian tactics have been to make things as unpleasant as possible for the mercs, you can see them literally raining hell fire with thermobaric weapons on town centres.

Meanwhile there's probably several thousand videos on youtube of the anti-Assad forces firing TOW anti-tank missiles. Peculiar choice of weaponry considering the US sold them all, mainly to EU countries.

The pipelines through Ukraine were only part of the network..

www.marketoracle.co.uk/images/2010/Mar/pipeline-wars-22-2.jpg

Yes, but Ukraine was the major part of th3 Russian pipelines to Europe which is why the coup was carried out in Ukraine to put a spanner in that route. The Germans want Russian oil and did a deal via the Baltic, but that isn't a huge amount. The neocons want to bankrut Russia and stop the Germans using Russian oil.

The EU political class under pressure from the elites blocked the Russian intended route through Bulgaria, so Russia only had the Turkish route left and then the elites got Turkey to shoot down the Russian plane which stopped that. But then Erdogan was forewarned about the coup against him (probably by the Russians), quelled it and then went to Moscow, so for now that is back on, and Erdogan is reversing his 6 year war policy against Assad as long as the Russians help him in not creating a Kurdish independent country.

And now the new President of Bulgaria is pro Russian and we have before that

"Bulgaria May Restore Russian Gas Pipeline, Nuclear Plant"

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-08/bulgaria-may-restore-russian-gas-pipeline-nuclear-power-plant

Trump is changing the entire neocon policy, or so it seems, but it depends if he reappoints all the old Bush neocons or not.

But Trump suports Brexit and Andrew Neil just said that he was tld in New York that Trump intends to "help" Britain over Brexit. In my opinion, Trump doesn't give two hoots about the EU and that means it will be over very soon, because Trump will probably help opponents to it.

Then Trump will probably bring Russia in and do huge business deals with them as they are allowed to make money by selling oil and they will buy US goods in return.

But no one knows yet, and what Trump does with Iran is also important. Trump may pull off a peace deal all over the Middle East. His first phonecall was apparently to General Sisi of Egypt.

Trump's 61st phonecall was to the world's number one conspiracy theorist, Alex Jones of Infowars, who said Trump told him, he had spoken to the Queen of England and the King of Saudi Arabia and now Alex Jones was 61st on the list.

Only in America, only Trump. Elites worldwide in panic

From today's Gatestone.

" According to New Europe, in Leeuwarden, "about twenty opponents of the plans [to establish asylum centers] in the region received police visits at home." In other words, the Netherlands are engaging in state censorship, thereby raising the question: Is the Netherlands now a police state?

 In the town of Sliedrecht, police came to Mark Jongeneel's office and told him that he tweeted "too much" and that he should "watch his tone": his tweets "may seem seditious". His offense? One tweet said: "The College of #Sliedrecht comes up with a proposal to take 250 refugees over the next two years. What a bad idea!"

 In September 2015, Die Welt reported that people who air "xenophobic" views on social media, risk losing the right to see their own children.

In Europe, is the enemy now the governments? Evidence is mounting that expressing even a mild opinion that runs counter to official government policy can land you in prison, or at least ensure a visit from your friendly local Kafkaesque police. Has Europe effectively become a police state?
Several European governments are making it clear to their citizens that criticizing migrants or European migrant policies is criminally off limits. People who go "too far," according to the authorities, are being arrested, prosecuted and at times convicted."

"Yes, but Ukraine was the major part of th3 Russian pipelines to Europe"

No, the Russians have always been suspicious of Ukraine's intentions hence avoided that territory with their pipelines. Most the of gas from the pipeline through the Ukraine is actually used by the Ukraine itself which is dependant upon Moscow as an energy source.

Of course even before the war they'd stopped paying the bill so whether it was even in use is debateable.

And Farage is taking the piss and laughing as he downs the beers that have been lined up for him

"A peerage for Nigel Farage – the scourge of unelected elites? Perish the thought! "

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/16/a-peerage-for-nigel-farage--the-scourge-of-unelected-elites-peri/

There have been urgent memos to all puppet politicians to treat Farage with respect because President-Elect Trump likes him.

The world's gone mad. It's Trumpmania.

Are you really surprised Southallgirl?

I know perfectly upstanding people who've had their children taken off them in this country, their only crime being activity for UKIP.

Forced adoptions, social workers getting away with proven perjury. Of course political correctness is merely about politeness and would never be used for anything else....

Scotland have been extremely hostile to Trump.
Scotland have been extremely keen to remain in the EU.
Scotland have been extremely quiet lately.
Hmm.

Claig - apologies, you have probably answered this before but I haven't read all of your threads, but do you really think Trump has the interests of America / anyone other than himself at heart, or is he just on a mission to be King of the World?

I have worked with people who seem alarmingly like him, and without exception they were enormously self-centred and motivated only by increasing their personal sphere of importance, thereby giving them licence (in their minds) to do what they liked without having to answer to anyone.

They surrounded themselves professionally with close family and friends (regardless of how unqualified they were), and hired other people on the basis of whether they were able to demonstrate that they were politically 'with him'. If they subsequently showed any signs of not being 'with him' they were relentlessly bullied until they either left of their own accord or were fired (often illegally).

Do you think he is any different? I very much hope so.

Is this Trump/Alt-right smooze fest still going? You've got stamina, I'll give you that.

Well I'll wait and watch. January 20th. And if any of the things I fear come to pass, I'll be back on here with a big fat told you so.

And I'll be angry - that people like you normalised and defended it.

However, if I'm wrong, I'll accept it graciously. And I really do hope I'm wrong. Because what I fear is terrifying.

toomanypetals, see you after Jan 20th. But in fairness Trump will need at least 6 months in order to achieve things. So, see you then. If I was wrong, I will say so. If he appoints all neocons and the same wars and policies are pursued, I will say I was wrong.

'do you really think Trump has the interests of America / anyone other than himself at heart, or is he just on a mission to be King of the World?'

Hi, GlassCircles. Trump is 70 years old, he is as rich as hell and was very popular on TV and with sports stars and movie types etc before he decided to run. The mayors liked him, the puppet politicians loved him and courted him, the puppets went to his wedding, they all begged him to endorse them and to fund them.

Then he ran for office and all the puppets were told to stop him because he could not be controlled by their bosses, because he would drain their swamp, end the Middle East wars, investigate the corrupt charidees, expose the pay for play where the US was working for foreign billionaire charidee donors etc and where the "geniuses" were writing and negotiating trade deals that enriched the One Percent and shipped American jobs overseas and allowed $500 billion annual trade deficits with China. And all the nobodies and servants laughed at him and insulted him and said he was "unfit" as they sought favour with the elites by mocking Trump.

Trump cares about America and the American people and he will go after the "corrupt global establishment that is raiding our country", the elites who are funding protests against him, the elites who control the lying media with their teams who were in bed with Hillary and the rigged election polls.

I think Trump was asked to run, as an outsider, by a faction within the US who had had enough of backing Jihadis and not beating Isis and of losing American jobs and being ripped off by foreign banks and all of the corruption exposed in Wikileaks, which the faction already knew all about beforehand.

'without exception they were enormously self-centred and motivated only by increasing their personal sphere of importance, thereby giving them licence (in their minds) to do what they liked without having to answer to anyone. '

You have to be like that if you are going to take on the entire "corrupt global establishment". They don't play games, they rig markets and rig polls and rig the media. They employ teams of liars and they try to fool the public to maintain power. Now they have met their match because Trump is self-centred and doesn't care what they say and is not scared of any of them and insults the lot of them. No one else can do it, "career politicians" don't have the courage of Trump.

'They surrounded themselves professionally with close family and friends (regardless of how unqualified they were), and hired other people on the basis of whether they were able to demonstrate that they were politically 'with him'.'

Absolutely because Trump needs people he can trust 100% because he is up against "the corrupt global establishment" and they don't play games and they have more money than Trump.

' If they subsequently showed any signs of not being 'with him' they were relentlessly bullied until they either left of their own accord or were fired (often illegally).'

He will certainly fire anyone who doesn't come up to scratch because he said "this is not a game". He was in the Apprentice and "you're fired" was his line. He says he will drain the swamp and anyone not up to it will have to go.

'Do you think he is any different? I very much hope so.'

He is as tough as nails because "it is not a game" and his job is to sort out the decline of America, arrest and "lock up" the crooks, end the wars, end the rigging and to make America great again, so he is totally different to the "career politicians" and the bought and paid for "political class".