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Well done Labour NEC - Corbyn can stand

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claig · 12/07/2016 20:02

They have voted 18-14 to allow Corbyn to stand in the leadership election.

One less stitch-up in a season os stitch-ups.

Go Corbyn!

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LowDudgeon · 18/07/2016 13:36

Has Robert Peston withdrawn/corrected this blog piece?

Well done Labour NEC - Corbyn can stand
JohnJ80 · 18/07/2016 13:43

I feel really ambivalent about Corbyn. I agree in some of what the man says but unreconstructed Bennism is not the way to go. Also he is only very popular with a select audience of the converted. It strikes me as more of a personality cult than a political party with electoral viability.

Basically, Labour should split and there should be PR. Then Corbyn can have his protest party -which he could call momentum or the Socialist Democratic Party or whatever; and Labour could represent the centre. Then some sort of multiparty left-wing alliance could be formed.

But as it s you have people who ideologically diverge on every level occupying the same party. At one end you have neoliberals like Hunt, Kendall etc and at the other Marxists. How on earth will that ever work?

The Tories are divided but not like labour: they are basically united on fiscal ideology if not Europe and social issues. Labour is like two people tied together each trying to walk in separate directions.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 18/07/2016 14:13

It WAS on the agenda. It is a blatant lie to circulate this misinformation.

Exactly.

Convenient truth for some to forget however.

GlassCircles · 18/07/2016 18:09

This is a pretty damning description of how JC does business by Lilian Greenwood (resigned Shadow Transport Secretary).

Whatever you think of his policies, he seems to lack even the most basic of management and PR skills.

www.liliangreenwood.co.uk/lilian_s_speech_to_nottingham_south_labour_party_members

Just one example from the above:

"I’ve been one of HS2’s strongest supporters so I when I took up the job in Jeremy’s Shadow Cabinet I wanted to be absolutely sure we were on the same page.

I met his Director of Policy to talk it through. We talked about the most difficult parts of the project, the impact at Euston in London. I'd been working with Councillor Sarah Hayward and her colleagues at Camden for more than 2 years to try and help them get what they wanted for their local residents.

It had been very difficult. I'd been to visit several times, meeting residents and businesses and dealing with some hostile media. But we secured real concessions – changes that will make a difference to local residents. It didn’t matter that it was in a nominally safe seat. It was the right thing to do.

Despite our agreed policy, despite Jeremy's Director of Policy and I agreeing our position, without saying anything to me, Jeremy gave a press interview in which he suggested he could drop Labour’s support for HS2 altogether. He told a journalist on a local Camden newspaper that perhaps the HS2 line shouldn’t go to Euston at all but stop at Old Oak Common in West London – but he never discussed any of this with the Shadow Cabinet, or me, beforehand.

I felt totally undermined on a really difficult issue."

GlassCircles · 18/07/2016 18:30

And this one where she describes how he blew a media opportunity for coverage for Labour's rail transport policy, thus wasting hundreds of hours of his people's work:

"On 4 January – a cold dark Monday morning – I was at Kings Cross at 7am doing Radio 5 and BBC TV.

Standing with Jeremy and the Rail Union General Secretaries for the media photocall. It was a crucial day in the Party’s media grid.

And all across the country local party activists were outside railway stations in the cold and the dark, leafleting commuters with the materials we’d prepared. Armed with the briefings and statistics.

Incredibly, Jeremy launched a Shadow Cabinet reshuffle on the same day.

This was the reshuffle that had been talked about since the Syria vote a month earlier. A vote where I supported Jeremy’s position.

The reshuffle that meant all our staff spent Christmas not knowing whether they'd have a job by the New Year.

By mid-afternoon the press were camped outside the Leader's office. They were there for the next 3 days.

It knocked all the coverage of the rail fare rise and our public ownership policy off every news channel and every front page.

I respect completely Jeremy’s right to reshuffle his top team. But why then?

It was unnecessary and it was incompetent.

It let me down, it let my staff down but most of all it let down the Labour campaigners and trade union members, people like you, who had given up their time to go out campaigning for us that morning. "

LowDudgeon · 18/07/2016 18:35

This isn't "an overview of the agenda", is it? It's "three major decisions tomorrow". I'd prefer to see an actual hard copy, with a validated date, before accepting that there were actually proper agenda entries, & that Corbyn actually couldn't be bothered to stay & vote.

As for circulating blatant lies, I've yet to see the Eagle camp admit that it wasn't their office window that was broken, & that the Luton hotel meeting wasn't cancelled because of threats.

I was impressed that Luciana Berger tweeted Carole Malone with a correction to her anti-Corbyn rant citing Luciana's anti-Semitic messages (a neo-Nazi has been arrested) but that correction has been ignored by CM as far as I can see - certainly there's no response from her on LB's Twitter.

CM also mentioned the alleged office window brick yet again. It seems that anti-Corbyn lies are acceptable.

& yes, I do know that many people are getting horrible tweets & emails - but on both sides.

Well done Labour NEC - Corbyn can stand
AllThePrettySeahorses · 18/07/2016 21:04

The tweet clearly tells you what items were being voted on, doesn't it? As opposed to your claim, mystifyingly made despite the fact that the items are shown on your own picture, that no one knew that they were on the agenda which is deliberate misinformation and propaganda. Wanting your own hard copy for 'proof' is irrelevant because the proof is there and it isn't like the full agenda would fit in 160 characters or less, is it? Corbyn 100%, without any shadow of a doubt, will have seen it. Whether he bothered to read it is another matter, of course.

LowDudgeon · 18/07/2016 21:19

A journalist tweeting what he was told would be decided doesn't amount to an agenda entry.

Why did Peston say it wasn't on the agenda, & was gerrymandering?

LowDudgeon · 18/07/2016 21:24

&, you know, there are means of transmitting longer items on Twitter. If someone has them, & wants to.

AllThePrettySeahorses · 18/07/2016 22:31

Okay, I'm confused. The evidence is there yet there seems to be gaslighting going on here. Is that the latest Corbynista trick?

Peston was wrong, that's all - his statement was clearly contradicted by the earlier evidence. Why are you setting such store by that when you have seen yourself that he was incorrect? Also, just because you can put longer items on twitter does not mean you have to. Eaton had no need to do this.

It doesn't matter how many times you deny that the items were on the agenda, anyone can see that they were - your own picture is the proof.

LowDudgeon · 18/07/2016 22:43

Journalist A says these decisions will be made tonight.
Journalist B says these decisions were made without following proper procedures.

Journalist A has provided no concrete evidence that I have seen that those issues were on the agenda.
Journalist B says those issues weren't on the agenda.

I don't understand why you are so vociferously refusing to understand why I am doubtful about the contents of the agenda pending proof one way or the other.

AllThePrettySeahorses · 18/07/2016 23:00

Actually, Journalist A said the decisions would be made tomorrow. It was tweeted the day before.

Where is your concrete evidence that they weren't on the agenda? There isn't any, is there? You have so nicely shown my evidence. The proof is there. It is extremely odd that you are questioning it. Gaslighting doesn't work on me.

AllThePrettySeahorses · 18/07/2016 23:05

Actually, on second thoughts I'll bite with a little corroborating evidence. Just because I can.

Neither Corbyn, McDonnell nor McClusky have said that the second and third motions were a surprise. If they did not know about them, it would have been all over the media. Corbyn has put three videos on Facebook today (last time I checked - there may be more) and has said he disagreed with the decision but has not questioned that there was a vote.

LowDudgeon · 18/07/2016 23:08

Ok, he posted the day before, & said tomorrow. I got that bit wrong. I'm terribly sorry.

Peston posted the same day immediately after the meeting.

Where is your concrete evidence that they were on the agenda? Easier to prove a positive than a negative. "Gaslighting" is a very odd term to use in this situation Confused

LowDudgeon · 18/07/2016 23:09

He has not questioned that there was a vote, no. There clearly was a vote.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 18/07/2016 23:24

There clearly was a vote

Which he left before. His choice.

LowDudgeon · 18/07/2016 23:33

Piglet, I note you are yet to comment on the last, non-Corbynista, link I posted concerning the unconstitutional way Angela Eagle was parachuted by the party establishment into Wallasey in 1991

GlassCircles · 19/07/2016 08:04

LowDudgeon - do you have any thoughts on Lilian Greenwood's experience of working with Corbyn?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 19/07/2016 10:01

Piglet, I note you are yet to comment on the last, non-Corbynista, link I posted concerning the unconstitutional way Angela Eagle was parachuted by the party establishment into Wallasey in 1991

Sorry.

If and it is if it is true then report it to NEC.

Seems quite strange though it has been 'found' suddenly all these years by some that don't want her to run in the leadership race

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 19/07/2016 10:04

LowDudgeon - do you have any thoughts on Lilian Greenwood's experience of working with Corbyn?

Or Lisa Nandy or Heidi Alexander or the awful way Thangham Debbonaire was treated whilst going through cancer treatment?

LowDudgeon · 19/07/2016 10:15

I posted this on another thread

"I had seen Thangam Debbonaire's & Lilian Greenwood's long speeches before now & yes, they do sound damning.

But if their resignations, & the whole orchestrated attempt to destabilise him, had such sound reasoning behind them, I wonder why it has taken so long for these details to come out?"

I've seen nothing from Lisa Nandy or Heidi Alexander.

I'm fascinated that you don't believe facts about Angela Eagle's selection which were clearly known about at the time.

GlassCircles · 19/07/2016 10:22

I wonder why it has taken so long for these details to come out?

This is what Lilian Greenwood says in the speech which I think explains why:

"In the 9 months I spent in the Shadow Cabinet I never briefed against Jeremy.

I never tweeted what was happening in Shadow Cabinet meetings or spoke to journalists about our private discussions

Whenever challenged, I defended our Party Leader."

So it sounds like she acted as professionally as she could, until she was so ground down by Team Corbyn's lack of professionalism that she could no longer continue in the job.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 19/07/2016 11:12

I'm fascinated that you don't believe facts about Angela Eagle's selection which were clearly known about at the time

I haven't said 'I don't believe facts' I said if it is true then report to NEC.

Stop twisting what I say.

GlassCircles · 19/07/2016 11:55

Meanwhile his Twitter account is full of people exhorting him to 'save us Jeremy' Hmm and he walks around asking people to hug him.

Populist, unprofessional, and dishonest. As has been pointed out before, he is not the Messiah, he's a crap politician - who if he carries on like this will never be in a position to help anyone (and will prevent any other Labour politician doing so either).

LowDudgeon · 19/07/2016 12:31

Walworth Road was then Labour Party HQ, & Roy Hattersley was heavily involved in the process, so I don't think it needs "reporting" Grin

Well done Labour NEC - Corbyn can stand
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