"Labour leadership: Andy Burnham raises Tory infiltration fears"

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34013497

Are there really enough bored Tories to do this? Is there are single confirmed instance yet? Bound to be some, never say never and all that. But surely, the Corbyn surge is driven by the far left returning to Labour because Corbyn has fired their passions.

howtorebuild, I am not really a Labour fan, but I may become one under Corbyn, so I am not the best person to advise on the Labour candidates because I don't like many of them.

But my favourite for Deputy is Tom Watson because he is human, has a sense of humour, took on Murdoch and has courage and is left wing and a friend of Len McCluskey which makes me think he will not oppose Corbyn. I see Tom Watson as a future Labour leader who could run rings around Cameron because Watson is a normal person with a sense of humour and that will appeal to non-Labour voters.

My second favourite is Caroline Flint because she is tough, can attack the Tories and has lots of experience. I don't like Stella Creasy. To me she is typical Labour Oxbridge luvvie, goody-goody, preaching and even patronising. I don't think she will apeal to non-Labour voters.

Great comment in the New Statesman regarding the other candidates deeming Corbyn unelectable when they are not electable themselves. Made me giggle.

I think the ability to argue a case and defeat an opponent and convince the watching public on TV is crucial in a politician because that is how most of us form our view of how good their policies are and how they stand up to scrutiny.

Whenever I see Caroline Flint argue on TV against a Tory she nearly always comes out on top because she knows her stuff, understands their weakenesses and can attack.

The communication I'm getting from my local group about the leadership election says that this voting purge and infiltration stuff is all media hyperbole. Wouldn't be the first time the media have just made stuff up.

The communication I'm getting from my local group about the leadership election says that this voting purge and infiltration stuff is all media hyperbole. Wouldn't be the first time the media have just made stuff up

Are you saying that those that have posted their emails/communications that they have received saying they can't vote or those that have been on the TV saying the same, are lying then. of course your local group may not be telling the whole truth

If Corbyn gets made labour leader we Tories will be partying like it was 1980.

"Whenever I see Caroline Flint argue on TV against a Tory she nearly always comes out on top because she knows her stuff, understands their weakenesses and can attack."

I might agree when Ms Flint was in government and in full control of what was in her briefs - and early coalition days when stuff hadn't turned around and easy to get into the fault lines within the coalition - but not so effective nowadays, which may be because 'stuff' HAS happened (lol) - or the Conservative idiot they put in front of her.

'or the Conservative idiot they put in front of her'

Which one are you referring to? There are so many.

'If Corbyn gets made labour leader we Tories will be partying like it was 1980.'

When Corbyn began his campaign, there was raucous laughter among the Tories, they opened the champagne (taxpayer funded and subsidised no doubt) and thought all their Christmases had come at once. But as the crowds listening to Corbyn grew larger and as the Labour Establishment candidates looked more desperate, there was no more laughter among the elite - just sheer panic at their tax breaks, expenses, charidee tax writeoffs, philanthropic perks, foundation fund fees and the large salaries of their charidee mates, paid for partly out of government grants which the people pay for.

Now there is no more laughter, just panic, and even anger at their incompetent class of robotic, clueless servants and spinners employed to lead the people.

The biggest names they had were thrown at the problem of the people - Blair, Kinnock and Bennett - and each and everyone was laughed out of town. McTernan was called urgently on his mobile, this was serious, surely he could browbeat the people back into their box. He started off in fighting fashion - he threw the word "moron" around like it was going out of style - but the message was unclear as it was aimed at Labour MPs and most of the public recognised that description of them and were in full agreement with it.

There was panic in Labour, but anger at Tory HQ. Surely their Labour PPE colleagues could stop a 66 year old bearded Marx-reading 70s throwback - what on earth do they teach at Oxford if they weren't even up to that? But as the days passed, their hopes and dreams passed with them. The polls grew ever wilder, the crowds grew ever larger and the people ever smarter, no one was going back in their box.

So now we are in the apocalyptic phase. The elite has given up all hope in their servants, they have stared useless in the face, they are calling the whole lot of their servants a total waste of space.

And so today we have the Telegraph editorial. No more laughter, just apocalyptic warnings and anger at the useless shower who couldn't contain the problem.

"Jeremy Corbyn must be stopped

Telegraph View: Jeremy Corbyn poses as an innocent idealist, but his economics is absurd and his foreign policy appalling. The Labour Party and the country need rescuing from his dangerous campaign.

There was a point in the summer when the rise of Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour leadership race was curious, even amusing. But the underdog is now the frontrunner and he stands a good chance of becoming leader of the Opposition. That would put him within reach of No 10, considering how small the Tory majority is and how much the SNP would love to join a socialist coalition government. So Labour’s problem is fast becoming Britain’s problem and they are doing a terrible job of containing it."

[[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11817162/Jeremy-Corbyn-must-be-stopped.html]]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11817162/Jeremy-Corbyn-must-be-stopped.html

Claig .... tickle me, tickle me, I forgot to laugh.

As opposed to the TOTAL of "one" U-kipper in Westminster, who was a sitting popular Tory, so Ukip in what, 25-years, is yet to get one home grown fascist into Westminster - having there own pre elections 'weeding out' problems.

”Ukip official in charge of vetting candidates admits he spends half his time 'weeding out the lunatics'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2873508/Ukip-official-charge-vetting-candidates-admits-spends-half-time-weeding-lunatics.html

'I forgot to laugh'

I'm not surprised. I expect you are weeping just like the Tory modernisers (the heirs to Blair) as both you and they know that now the modernisers' game is up.

'Andrew Marr: British politics is broken – the centre cannot hold '

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/andrew-marr-british-politics-broken-centre-cannot-hold

The centre is collapsing. Labour is collapsng and next the Tories will collapse and finally our unrepresentative broken electoral system will collapse and we will get PR voting. Then you won't be laughing about UKIP, Corbyn or the people any more.

The people want democracy, the centre cannot hold, the spinners can't contain the people, the servants are without arguments and ideas, democracy will win, the people will win.

”Ukip official in charge of vetting candidates admits he spends half his time 'weeding out the lunatics'

Claig ... I guess you got through the cut, somehow.

Yes dear, I don't know what to worry about next, a tired (read knackered) UKIP under Farage, or a 1970's Labour under Corbyn - if only 2015 was so much better in every way than 2010, so at least come 2020 there was a record to fall back on. Hmmm.

Conservatives who tried to join the LP only because they want to sabotage the leadership contest:

Tim Loughton, MP
Alan Pearman, local councillor
Martin Callanan, Tory Peer & former MEP

Scumbags.

'”Ukip official in charge of vetting candidates admits he spends half his time 'weeding out the lunatics''

I think that was later clarified as being the large number of Conservative councillors and MPs wanting to leave the Tories and join UKIP.

"'Andrew Marr: British politics is broken – the centre cannot hold '

That article was in March, so well out of pre Corbyn date, so ALREADY broken, as Labour lurch left - and the far right United Kingdom Independence Party will be pointless after the referendum.

YeOldeTrout, by doing that they are effectively helping the elite and the Labour elite because the losing Labour elite can use these three as an example of why the election may have to be called off, which will help them to stop Corbyn which is what the Telegraph editorial says is what must happen.

YeOldeTrout .... let it ALL out, you need to blame someone, its usually the Conservatives, at least Thatchers name won't be there, or isit? lol

Andrew Marr admits he doesn't know what is going on, he never saw this coming.

He is metropolitan elite, of course he doesn't understand it. None of the great and the good do. They don't understand the people, they don't understand UKIP and they don't understand Corbynites.

"Andrew Marr’s diary: The summer of Corbyn — and other things we didn’t see coming

This is the Corbyn summer. From the perspective of a short holiday, my overwhelming feeling is one of despair at my own semi-trade — the political commentariat, the natterati, the salaried yacketting classes. Who among us, really, predicted that Jeremy Corbyn would be romping ahead like this? Where were the post-election columns pointing out that David Cameron’s victory would lead to a resurgent quasi-Marxist left?

And that’s just the beginning: how many of the well-connected, sophisticated, numerate political writers expected Labour to be slaughtered in the general election? Not me, that’s for sure."

www.spectator.co.uk/the-week/diary/9611072/andrew-marrs-diary-the-summer-of-corbyn-and-other-things-we-didnt-see-coming/

No one foresaw UKIP winning so many council seats in 2013, or winning the EU elections or winning a landslide in Clacton, or taking Rochester in a by-election, or 4 million votes in the General Election, or the rise of Corbyn.

They rightly foresaw that UKIP would get very little parliamentary representation because that is the system. But they can't foresee that that electoral system will also collapse and PR voting is coming in order to fulfil the democratic wishes of the people above the oligopoly of the Oxbridge elites.

UKIP got its votes on peddling fears and lies on what it could do about it; bring the UK out of the EU and/or stop immigration and it could do neither, even if had 200 MEP seats - and in getting so many MEP seats, individually got well paid for those lies.

Who is going to collapse the voting system, only the anarchists would want that, as IF there had been a left alliance DUE to PR in 2015 and god help us 2010 - when none of them had a clue what to do to get this country back on their feet other than to keep spending government money until the creditors pulled the plug - so why would any sane government want to experiment on an economy built on benefits, until like Greece, we needed bailouts?

Claig .. FORGET UKIP, with your mantras and class warrior labels, you have 'Corbyn' written through you like a stick of Blackpool Rock.

Make the jump, 'come out' tonight here on Mumsnet. lol

'Who is going to collapse the voting system'

Corbyn will beat the Labour Establishment candidates and just as he wants to bring democracy back to the Labour Party and take it away from the Oxbridge "sofa gvernment" set, so also he might give the people democracy by bringing in PR. We will have to wait and see what he does, we don't know yet. He is a man of principle (something that is new for the people), so anything is possible.

I like both Farage and Corbyn. I will have to wait and see what they offer and which one has the best chance of implemnting it. Then I will decide.